Re: Convert some files from outline-mode to org-mode

[Kévin Le Gouguec]

Drew Adams <address@hidden> writes:

>> > I don't think I will ever manage to remember any of
>> > the keybindings for the outline-(show|hide)-… functions,
>> 
>> For this reason I implemented `reveal-mode` ;-)
>
> 1. FWIW, both Org Mode and Outline Mode offer
> all anyone needs to know about showing/hiding,
> navigating, etc. - in the menu-bar menus.
>
> I can't understand people lamenting an ability
> to remember key bindings.  Especially veteran
> users - they should know how to ask Emacs.
>
> If you're in a mode you don't understand well,
> use `C-h m' or `C-h b'.  If such help isn't
> good enough then we should improve it.
>
> And any veteran Emacs user should expect that
> an important or longstanding major mode probably
> also has one or more menu-bar menus, which can
> help with key bindings.

Yup, those (menus, C-h m, C-h b; in this specific case C-c C-h also
works nicely) are what I was referring to as "cheatsheets":

>> > I don't think I will ever manage to remember any of the
>> > keybindings for the outline-(show|hide)-… functions, which means
>> > I will never be able to use the "selective display" feature
>> > advertised in outline-mode's docstring without a cheatsheet.

The point being that yes, hopefully Emacs users can find their way to
a menu or a help buffer; but as org-mode shows we can aim for
something slightly more ergonomic.

If I have to whip these cheatsheets out every time I want to hide a
heading (which I used to do before I finally bound
outline-toggle-children to TAB), I might as well do away with
keybindings and just M-x outline-hide- TAB *squint* (or install
which-key and C-c *squint*).

> 2. It sounds like trivially adding TAB as a key
> for cycling among items in Outline mode would,
> regardless of what mode is used for NEWS, be a
> good idea.  And such a lame argument shouldn't
> be put forward as a reason to switch to Org mode
> for NEWS.  (I'm not saying anything here about
> which mode should be used for NEWS.)

Wholehearted agreement here.