Re: [Denemo-devel] trouble creating parts

[Donald J. Stewart]

one of the other issues was rehearsal markings...

As they are written on the top staff (trumpet 1, in this example), they 
correctly show when I draw the part.

But as you see, in trumpet 2, they do not display. Should I put a rehearsal 
marking on each line? or is there a more elegant way of creating them 
globally, so they show in each line, specifically when drawing parts?

On Wednesday, November 16, 2016 8:27:44 AM PST Richard Shann 
wrote:
> On Tue, 2016-11-15 at 12:35 -0800, Donald J. Stewart wrote:
> > OK, I see that I'm using incorrect terminology.
> > 
> > What I *need* to do is to is create an instrumental part from the full
> > score that I can edit.
> > 
> > The full score is written for 2 trumpets, timpani and SATB choir.
> > 
> > I want to extract the trumpets (and timpani) from the score, then edit
> > those scores in Denemo.
> 
> To typeset just those three parts you have two routes:
> 
> 1)
> Change the partname of the three staffs to be the same (click on the
> partname above the clef/key/time at the start of the staff to get the
> built-in staff properties dialog and change the Part Name field to
> something like "ttt" - you can put the current part name, which is set
> to the instrument name in the Sub Part field).
> Now when you click "Part" in the Print View it will typeset these three
> staffs, because they all have the same partname, "ttt".
> 
> 2)
> Create a custom score layout consisting of these three staffs. To do
> this choose View->Score Layout and then "Customize". Do not replace 
the
> default score layout (as you will still want that, no doubt) but give
> your layout a name of your choosing.
> Then, in the layout view use buttons marked "X" to delete all the staffs
> you don't need and click Typeset.
> 
> You should only use option (2) once you have finished the Titles,
> margins and so on as these are all "embedded" in the customized score
> layout, which means if you change them you will have to delete and
> re-create your custom layout (or edit the LilyPond syntax directly).
> 
> There are pros and cons to these two methods - if you want to know 
more
> once you have played with these two methods ask again...
> 
> > What I'm noticing is that the PDF *Part* that is created in Denemo 
Print
> > View creates blank lines when there is no music to print.
> 
> This is because you have set "Hide Empty Staffs" on the movement. You
> have hit on something unusual here: Hide Empty Staffs is for the full
> orchestral score where you want to parts that are resting for the whole
> of a system to vanish, to reduce the space needed on the page. What 
you
> have found is that it doesn't make sense if you are printing just one
> part, since having it vanish just leaves the bar numbering and rehearsal
> marks and nothing else.
> To fix this:
>       First typeset the "Trumpet in C" layout by putting the cursor in one of
> the staffs with part name "Trumpet in C" and clicking "Part" in the
> Print View.
>       Then go to Movements->Movement Properties Editor
> and on the Denemo Directive labelled "Hide Empty Staffs" click the
> "Conditional" button and set the condition to be "Ignore for Trumpet in
> C". This will mean that when using the "Trumpet in C" layout the
> directive will be ignored.
> 
> Now click "Part" again, and now the systems where both trumpets are
> resting will print.
> 
> >  It also ignores
> > 
> > the Rehearsal marks where there is no music.
> 
> I think you've made a mistaken observation here - it should show
> rehearsal marks as well as bar numbers while hiding resting parts.
> 
> >  In other words, the full
> > 
> > score shows rehearsal marks to letter M, and the trumpet parts prints
> > rehearsal marks to letter K (I assume it's because it doesn't print the
> > rehearsal marks in measures without music).
> 
> I'm seeing it printing the rehearsal marks to K on bar 85 in both cases
> - attached is the typesets with/without conditional set on the Hide
> Empty Staffs directive. When hidden the bar number 76 appears over a
> blank area (both trumpets are resting for the whole system) but the last
> rehearsal mark is still K. (This is based on the version you posted
> earlier - you may have added further rehearsal marks since).
> 
> > I've also noticed that Denemo Print View doesn't print text direction
> 
> I'm not quite sure what you mean by "text direction", it will print what
> are called "Mark"s in LilyPond terminology - that is stuff (like
> rehearsal marks) that are to appear just once, above the system, rather
> than repeated on each staff.
> 
> HTH
> 
> 
> Richard
> 
> > in
> > measures without music, as well.
> > 
> > On Tuesday, November 15, 2016 8:08:08 PM PST Richard Shann 
wrote:
> > > On Tue, 2016-11-15 at 10:28 -0800, Donald J. Stewart wrote:
> > > > First of all, I may be 'drawing parts' incorrectly. I see that in the
> > > > editor itself (not Denemo Print View), there is
> > > > 
> > > > Staffs/Voices->Voices->Create Parts
> > > 
> > > The help for this command is:
> > > 
> > > Create three parts from the current staff.
> > > 
> > > That's hopelessly cryptic. What it means is if you have chords of 
three
> > > notes in a staff it will split them up into three parts (each part, as
> > > usual in the Denemo Display/Edit Window is on a separate staff).
> > > You don't want this.
> > > 
> > > > or
> > > > 
> > > > Staffs/Voices->Voices->Create Parts (Treble First)
> > > 
> > > Help for this is:
> > > Creates a set of parts extracting the highest part first.
> > > 
> > > Likewise - this just extracts the parts in the opposite order.
> > > 
> > > > OR in Denemo Print View, there is a 'Part' button.
> > > 
> > > This typesets the part that the cursor is on in the Denemo Display/
Edit
> > > Window. A part may be more than one staff (look for the partname 
at
> > 
> > top
> > 
> > > left of the staff).
> > > 
> > > > In Denemo Print View, when I click the Part button (and my cursor 
in
> > 
> > the
> > 
> > > > Denemo editor is on the corresponding staff), Denemo Print View
> > > > displays
> > > 
> > > well, it *typesets* it, it creates the LilyPond syntax for the part and
> > > then runs the LilyPond typesetter on it and displays the result.
> > > 
> > > >  the part.
> > > > 
> > > > It is at this point that I don't know how to 'edit' the newly created
> > > > part
> > > > in the Denemo editor.
> > > 
> > > To create a part you use Staffs/Voices->Add Staff, or if you want the
> > > part to be on the same staff as one already present (i.e. a voice) you
> > > use Staffs/Voices->Voices->Add Voice
> > > then you populate it with music, and it will be typeset when you 
click
> > > on one of the typesetting buttons in the Print View (or when you 
use
> > > File->Print menu commands).
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I think the problem may be terminology - separate rhythmic music 
on
> > 
> > one
> > 
> > > staff is called VOICEs in Denemo, a PART is all the staffs with the 
same
> > > part name (e.g. Piano/lh Piano/rh) - usually just one staff, or one
> > > staff with several voices on it.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > HTH
> > > 
> > > Richard
> > > 
> > > >  I can create a PDF, but when I 'Typeset' the score,
> > > > 
> > > > nothing seems to happen.
> > > > 
> > > > Conversely, if I go into
> > > > 
> > > > Staffs/Voices->Voices->Create Parts, it creates a number of new 
staves
> > 
> > in
> > 
> > > > my score, but no part. I'm not even quite sure what it's doing. 
Here,
> > 
> > I'm
> > 
> > > > almost positive that I'm doing something wrong.
> > > > 
> > > > On Tuesday, November 15, 2016 10:41:23 AM PST Richard Shann
> > 
> > wrote:
> > > > > On Mon, 2016-11-14 at 21:49 -0800, Donald J. Stewart wrote:
> > > > > > On Saturday, November 12, 2016 12:30:07 PM PST Richard 
Shann
> > > > 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > Sorry! There *is* a serious-looking error in the file as you
> > > > > > > originally
> > > > > > > posted it; near the top there is:
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > #(define denemo-top-margin ...for they shall...)
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > where the red-highlighting starts.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > it seems that in setting the top margin you inserted the text
> > > > > > > "...
> > > > > > > for
> > > > > > > they shall ..." instead of a number (such as 20). I deleted this
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > then ran typeset and got the sort of warning messages I 
wrote
> > > > 
> > > > about
> > > > 
> > > > > > > below (they refer to another copy of your file that I extracted
> > > > > > > by
> > > > > > > tortuous means earlier...)
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > It would be good for those margin setting commands to test 
out
> > > > 
> > > > the
> > > > 
> > > > > > > syntax for validity before letting you insert things like that,
> > > > > > > I've
> > > > > > > put
> > > > > > > a bug report in for this.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > You would normally expect to be able to fix this by re-
running
> > 
> > the
> > 
> > > > > > > margin command, but in this case the bad value persists. To 
fix
> > > > 
> > > > your
> > > > 
> > > > > > > score open up Score->Score Properties Editor and delete the
> > > > 
> > > > TopMargin
> > > > 
> > > > > > > directive. There is a second TopMargin directive, which is (I
> > 
> > guess)
> > 
> > > > the
> > > > 
> > > > > > > one where you re-edited the top margin.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > This worked. But what if I need to edit the new part?
> > > > > 
> > > > > which part is "the new part", and what could stop you editing a
> > 
> > part?
> > 
> > > > > >  For example, I think
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > because I chose to 'hide empty measures',
> > > > > 
> > > > > which command are you referring to here? (The best way to be
> > 
> > exact in
> > 
> > > > > describing a command is to look it up in the Command Center 
(e.g.
> > 
> > via
> > 
> > > > > right-clickon the menu item->Open Command Center on this
> > > > 
> > > > Command) and
> > > > 
> > > > > then copy and paste the description panel.
> > > > > 
> > > > > >  a number of measures don't
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > show up.
> > > > > 
> > > > > "show up" in the Denemo Display or the Print View?
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Is this normal behavior? Or is there something I have done
> > > > 
> > > > incorrectly?
> > > > 
> > > > > I'm struggling to understand the problem - perhaps a 
screenshot of
> > > > 
> > > > what
> > > > 
> > > > > you have and a description of what you are trying to do? Or 
create a
> > > > > tiny example of what you find to be problematic?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Richard
> > > > > 
> > > > > > > Let me know when if you have a problem deleting this bad
> > 
> > directive.
> > 
> > > > > > > Richard
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > On Sat, 2016-11-12 at 11:53 +0000, Richard Shann wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sat, 2016-11-12 at 10:14 +0000, Richard Shann wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sat, 2016-11-12 at 09:46 +0000, Richard Shann wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Sat, 2016-11-12 at 01:11 -0800, Donald J. Stewart 
wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > I've attached the file.
> > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > you have to compress the file before attaching it to the
> > > > > > > > > > email.
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > I've used the list-moderator interface to allow this email
> > > > > > > > > through
> > > > > > > > > so
> > > > > > > > > there should be no need to re-send it compressed on this
> > > > 
> > > > occasion.
> > > > 
> > > > > > > > The file has now arrived on the mailing list.
> > > > > > > > I've tested out the .denemo file attached to it.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > The full score typesets with error messages in the LilyPond
> > > > 
> > > > window:
> > 
==========================================================================
> > 
> > > > > > > > ====== Typesetting ...Done/tmp/Denemo_UHBTQY/
> > > > 
> > > > denemoprintB.ly:
> > > > > > 685:346:
> > > > > > > > warning: unterminated hyphen; removing
> > > > > > > > Bless -- ed __ are __ the poor __ in spi -- rit... Bless -- ed
> > > > > > > > __
> > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > __
> > > > > > > > the meek... __ Bless -- ed __ are they __ that mourn... Bless
> > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > ed
> > > > > > > > are
> > > > > > > > they __ that hun -- ger and thirst __ af -- ter jus --
> > > > > > > > tice..=2E
> > > > > > > > __
> > > > > > > > Bless -- ed, __ bless -- ed are __ the mer -- ci -- ful... __
> > > > > > > > Bless --
> > > > > > > > ed __ are __ the __ peace -- mak -- ers, __ the peace -- mak
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > -- ers. __  jus -- tice... __  __ af -- __ Bless-
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > /tmp/Denemo_UHBTQY/denemoprintB.ly:1081:21: 
warning:
> > > > > > unterminated
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > decrescendo
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >          f-\fermata
> > > > > > > >          
> > > > > > > >                     \decr \AutoEndMovementBarline
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > /tmp/Denemo_UHBTQY/denemoprintB.ly:81:79: warning:
> > > > > > decrescendo too small
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >          f'' f'' \cr g'' g'' f'' f'' g'' g'' f'' f'' g'' g''<>
> > > > > > > >          \ff
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > bes''4:32
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > \decr~  \!\AutoBarline
> > 
> > > > > > > > /tmp/Denemo_UHBTQY/denemoprintB.ly:690:23: warning:
> > cannot
> > 
> > > > > > resolve rest
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > collision: rest direction not set
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >          \tempo 4=84
> > > > > > > >          
> > > > > > > >                       r1\AutoBarline
> > > > > > > >        
> > > > > > > >        ...
> > 
> > 
==========================================================================
> > 
> > > > > > > > ======
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > The first message is about your lyrics - I'm not an expert on
> > > > 
> > > > LilyPond
> > > > 
> > > > > > > > lyric syntax - you have doubled hyphens and doubled
> > 
> > underscores
> > 
> > > > -
> > > > 
> > > > > > should
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > these be doubled? Should not the hyphens be attached to 
the
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > previous
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > syllable (i.e. no space)?
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > The second message says you have a decr start with no 
decr
> > 
> > end
> > 
> > > > > > later.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > The last message is for part writing, where you have more
> > 
> > than
> > 
> > > > one
> > > > 
> > > > > > rest
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > at one moment and have not specified which voice they 
are in,
> > 
> > or
> > 
> > > > if
> > > > 
> > > > > > they
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > are to be combined (see Staffs/Voices->Voices menu).
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > However, these are all just Warning messages, and so you
> > 
> > *do*
> > 
> > > > get a
> > > > 
> > > > > > > > typeset score.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Putting the cursor in the top staff in the Denemo Display 
and
> > > > 
> > > > clicking
> > > > 
> > > > > > > > Part in the Print View also typesets with warning, attached 
is
> > 
> > the
> > 
> > > > PDF
> > > > 
> > > > > > > > created by clicking the PDF button. The LilyPond window
> > 
> > shows
> > 
> > > > the
> > > > 
> > > > > > > > following warnings in the lower pane in this case:
> > 
==========================================================================
> > 
> > > > > > > > ====== Typesetting ...Done/tmp/Denemo_UHBTQY/
> > > > 
> > > > denemoprintA.ly:
> > > > > > 36:50:
> > > > > > > > warning: crescendo too small
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >          g'?2.-\tenuto \decr<>  \p d'4\glissando
> > > > > > > >          
> > > > > > > >                                                  \cr(
> > > > > > > >                                                  \!\AutoBarlin
> > > > > > > >                                                  e
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > /tmp/Denemo_UHBTQY/denemoprintA.ly:81:79: warning:
> > > > > > decrescendo too small
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >          f'' f'' \cr g'' g'' f'' f'' g'' g'' f'' f'' g'' g''<>
> > > > > > > >          \ff
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > bes''4:32
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > \decr~  \!\AutoBarline
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > /tmp/Denemo_UHBTQY/denemoprintA.ly:163:77: warning:
> > > > > > decrescendo too
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > small
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >          bes'4-\tenuto<>  \f a'4-\tenuto aes'4-\tenuto<>  \mf
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > ges'4-\tenuto
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > \decr\AutoBarline
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > /tmp/Denemo_UHBTQY/denemoprintA.ly:189:139: 
warning:
> > > > > > decrescendo too
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > small
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >         <>  \f<> ^\markup \italic {"con sord." } cis''16 \cr
> > > > > > > >         dis''
> > > > > > > >         e''
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > fis'' cis'' dis'' e'' fis'' cis'' dis'' e'' fis''<>  \ff
> > > > > > > > gis''4:32
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > \decr~  \!\AutoBarli...
> > 
> > 
==========================================================================
> > 
> > > > > > > > ======
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > the cursor does indeed move to the first of these warnings 
at
> > > > 
> > > > Staff 1,
> > > > 
> > > > > > > > bar 15 on the last note. And indeed the crescendo between 
the
> > > > 
> > > > d'4
> > > > 
> > > > > > (which
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > is a d 1/4) note and the following  ees''8 (an e-flat 1/8th)
> > > > > > > > note
> > > > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > rendered as a squashed up line. LilyPond is not clever 
enough
> > 
> > to
> > 
> > > > fix
> > > > 
> > > > > > > > this for you by giving extra space.
> > > > > > > > Searching in the View->Command Center for "cres" I came 
to
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Command: Lengthen Hairpin
> > > > > > > > Inserts a directive to lengthen the following cresc or dim
> > > > > > > > hairpin.
> > > > > > > > Location: ObjectMenu->NotesRests->Markings->Dynamics
> > > > > > > > Internal Name: LengthenHairpin
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > which may help in this situation.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > I also put the cursor in the Soprano staff and clicked Part in
> > 
> > the
> > 
> > > > > > > > Print
> > > > > > > > View - this typeset without warning messages - as it 
involves
> > > > > > > > those
> > > > 
> > > > __
> > > > 
> > > > > > > > and -- in the lyrics I guess they are all right - the
> > > > > > > > "warning:
> > > > > > > > unterminated hyphen; removing" message above must 
refer
> > 
> > to
> > 
> > > > some
> > > > 
> > > > > > other
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > verse.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > HTH
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Richard
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > _______________________________________________
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