Re: [Dvdrtools-users] unable to write dvd-r with linux kernel 1.6

[Bryan J. Smith]

On Fri, 2005-05-13 at 12:31 +1200, Volker Kuhlmann wrote:
> I'm afraid I'm not sure what you mean by this. Whether a drive can burn
> media X is determined by the drive and its firmware, not the Linux
> burning program.

No, it's defined on the format, the way that format is written, etc...
Disk-at-once (DAO) is ideal.

> I use -R and +R about equally often,

Your prior comments seemed to suggest otherwise.

> though favour +RW over -RW because it's more user-friendly and versatile.

Depends on your point of view.
But yes, in Linux, -RW has been lacking.
Of course, -RAM has worked since Day 1 (1997).
It's far more longevity, although it has been adopted by many portable
devices.

> All just work.

Actually, I could say the same about -RAM, it just works in Linux.
As far as +R v. -R, I think we've been through that before.

> I don't give a toss about the DVD Consortiums standard religion resp religion
> standards.

But even you admitted that compatibility plagued +R/+RW until just wihin
the last 2 years.  Sorry, not good enough for those of thus that have
been doing this for 7+ years (and longer with other WORM/MO).

> I prefer to only have to touch one piece of software, which is a k.o. for the
> older hacks.

What are those "older hacks" you keep talking about?

CD-R and DVD-R drives are extremely similar in design.  As such, the
"hacks" are little more than ID and other support added to CDRecord2.

+RW (and +R) is very different than CD-R/DVD-R in their approach.

> Judging by the number of problems on cdwrite about growisofs, I doubt
> it's any less burner-compatible than cdrecordhacks for -R, but more so
> for +R.

That's because +R is _different_ than -R!
+R is MO, _not_ a single-grove WORM.
We've been through this before!

Now how many times do I have to tell you that because you are partial to
+R/+RW that it will influence your decisions, but it doesn't mean that
those of us who use -R/-RAM are "wrong" either.

> Actually I have a Pioneer burner, but personal statistics aren't big
> enough to be too meaningful. That said, growisofs has yet to fail me
> (and I use all 4 formats).

That's because +R/+RW use MO mechanisms that are _not_ supported by
linear recording.  That's why CDRecord doesn't work for it.

> As I said, if it works, use it. Overall it remains inferior though:

That is just the most arrogant statement I've seen.
Linear recording -R is the most _ideal_ for universal compatibility.

> trouble with +R,

Because +R is _not_ a single-groove WORM!  You're blaming CDRecord, a
linear recording program, for not supporting a media that it is _not_
designed for!

Please _wake_up_ to this!  Especially when you consider the _physical_
differences between +R and -R, and how that plays into compatibility.

> I see quite a bit of SCSI trouble popping up, no technical or bugfix
> support from anyone, nothing it does which growisofs doesn't do as
> well.

Sigh, you don't seem to understand how the technology even works.
I really won't care less except you're on a mission to label the
CDRecord approach as "inferior" and you are blatantly ignorant of
the physical difference between DVD+R and CD-R/DVD-R.

It's like you're a walking Sony/Philips marketing machine and us
so-called "DVD Consortiums standard religion resp religion standards"
are a bunch of idiots.

> Of course, there's nothing wrong with using an inferior product if it
> works(!) and does all you need/want to do or can do with your burner.

Why do several of you +R/+RW supporters insist on this type of attitude?
What good does it do other than show you know _nothing_ of why someone
would use a program that records a single-groove to a single-groove
media, and how that program would _not_ work for a MO-based media?

> If it doesn't work, the hint to use something else is justified IMHO,
> esp in the absence of any other support.

I don't think you're actually very familiar with how CDRecord works,
and what the "DVDPatches" really are.

> No personal drive preference - I want everything ;) for maximum
> flexibility. I'd have to be stupid to buy a burner which doesn't do both
> + and -. Is it even possible any more?

Was I even arguing this?
In fact, I get a drive that does _all_*5*_ DVD formats.

I'm not saying you have to, but I'm just saying there is a reason why
some of us have not gone with a +R/+RW preference -- and it's largely
because we were using these drives 7+ years ago.


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Bryan J. Smith                                 address@hidden 
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