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Re: [Fsfe-uk] EU Ambassadors vote to back Software Patents


From: James Heald
Subject: Re: [Fsfe-uk] EU Ambassadors vote to back Software Patents
Date: Thu, 13 May 2004 14:21:26 +0100
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Tom Chance wrote:

Kevin,

On Thursday 13 May 2004 09:32, Kevin Donnelly wrote:

Something like this is certainly needed - if you're running a campaign, you
need a succinct summary of the issue that the campaigners can use to catch
up on what the substance is before they relay that to whoever they are
talking to.  I think a lot more people would get involved if they didn't
have to do the spadework first, and could use pre-digested stuff.  But
writing such stuff can be very time-consuming :-)


That it is :-) I like your approach, but unfortunately most of the people who do that hard work within the FFII are more interested in their own lobbying efforts, and I've found it to be quite a lot of work to encourage them to focus more on the thousands of other people, who'd appreciate the sort of approach you suggest.

...

>
> If you're going to the AFFSAC, I'll be there talking about grassroots
> activism, so I hope we can all get something worthwhile out of the
> discussion, and maybe lead the FFII down the grassroots route :-)


I'm sorry, I think this is mostly my fault. I think we did have quite a good letter-writing push in the UK last October/November, but you're right, at least in the UK we haven't been organised since then, haven't put together the support material, haven't built up a group of grass-roots campaigners, and haven't energised other potential members of a broader coalition.

And I'm afraid that basically down to a lack of 'making things happen' on my part. Too much of a policy wonk, not enough of a campaigner...


So, as to the specifics of what Kevin suggests:

- bullet points/soundbites: really simple one liners which encapsulate the main points, even at the expense of glossing over some aspects;

- Q&A brief: a set of questions with suggested answers, no longer than a paragraph each; ie questions your interlocutor might ask if they have the time/inclination to look for a bit more detail, along with brief but less one-dimensional answers than are possible with the bullet points;

- one-page papers on particular aspects, which could be sent out to "policy wonks"; these would go into a bit more detail still, and might well give some flavour of the pros and cons of some of the more esoteric points.

let's see what we can do.

I also like the idea of trying to build active local groups in each Euro-constituency.

I'm planning to get to AFFSAC (complete with the patented webshop posters), so let's be sure to make time to co-ordinate more there.












This is interesting, but I'm afraid that if I was an MEP I would vote
against whatever it was you wanted me to vote for after receiving a call
like this
:-(  I think it's too hectoring, and will only antagonise people.

My view would be that this is something you can only work on gradually, by
educating your MEP, and this is quite a major task in itself, without the
added complication of trying to do it in short order because of a voting
deadline.  I wonder rather about trying to get some face-time with MEPs
(and prospective MEPs).  If each constituency could get together a
delegation of 3-4 people, preferably from a range of backgrounds, backed up
by good material of the sort above, and have 40 minutes with the MEP, it
might be possible to approach the issue in a more constructive way, which
gives a better flavour of the long-term damage that these things are going
to do.


You're right, your approach is better. Unfortunately, at the moment there aren't enough people working towards that sort of approach. In fact, so far as I can tell (from the few weeks I've worked on the MEP Toolbox), I'm probably the only person really pushing for more effective grassroots action. I'm hoping that there are lots of other people who agree with me, who hopefully are doing stuff I've missed, and who will join me in pushing this :)

In the meantime, however, we are faced with the elections on June 10th. Anti-software patent people need to know where parties and individuals stand. The only way to do that is to ask these questions, which have been written by the FFII's experts. MEP's can always abstain from answering, but in my experience the majority won't. We could just write up our opinions of MEPs, but this sort of approach is going to be more trustworthy :)

For what it's worth, and because it informs my answer to your points about MEPs being generally good people, this is where our main parties stand:

Green - Firmly behind us
UKIP & Lib Dems - say they're behind us but vote otherwise!
Labour & Con - Firmly against us, both in rhetoric and voting

If you talk to a Green or UKIP MEP, you can really have a discussion. If you talk to a Lib Dem person, they'll discuss it with you, as you point out, they're not going to just say "yes, ok, you're right". If you talk to a Labour or Conservative person, they'll maybe talk a little, but then just tell you to talk to their party rep; they simply "don't have the time" to engage on every issue.

So the motivation behind this approach is:
a) To avoid them going to their party rep.
b) To give a trustworthy indication of MEP's and party's positions
c) To give more hackers some experience in lobbying

In the long term, I'd LOVE to do road/train trips with small groups of people to MEPs. But in betweeen now and the elections, I doubt it's viable :o)

If you're going to the AFFSAC, I'll be there talking about grassroots activism, so I hope we can all get something worthwhile out of the discussion, and maybe lead the FFII down the grassroots route :-)

Regards,
Tom


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