[Aleader-dev] Re: Pronouns

[William L. Jarrold]

On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 address@hidden wrote:

> [I'm writing in a cybercafe so I have to be brief.]
>

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> > it is a doable study -- probably just a small tweak from what I did
> > for my dissertation.
>
> Yah, that's what I want to emphasize.  We can verify
> it in small steps too.

Okee dokee.

>

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> >
> > Okay, in sort of an intuitive way there might be some kinda
> > correspondance.  I'm not exactly sure what it is but okay.
>
> Yah, just bear with me.

Okay.

>


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> > > takes on the role of the witness.  This is the minimum structure
> > > needed to introduce 1st, 2nd, and 3rd person pronouns.  By limiting
> > > ourselves to the minimum structure we carve out a smaller piece --
> > > hopefully a tractable piece -- of the affect puzzle.
> >
> > Okay.  I'm still a little puzzled, but fine lets keep reading.
>
> Think of it like a template or grammar production rule:
>
> situation ::
>   <1st person pronoun> <verb> <2nd person pronoun>

Hmmm....maybe I'm getting it a little more...In the next iteration
of the document maybe having like 3 or 4 examples would be could.
I like examples.  Not just for me.  They are methodologically
important....Okay, I'll stop pontificating again.

>
> > > Let us take Figure 3.1: Example Clinical Workbook Item from your

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> > > sentence #1: Tracy wants a banana.
> > >
> > > pronoun-desirability form:
> > >   I (1st person) = Tracy
> > >     [will be] happy = want a banana
> >
> > Okay, I thought "I" was always 1st person.  Does
> > "(1st person)" indicate that you are referring to the
> > 1st person sense of I as opposed to some other sense?
> > Nah, I doubt that.  What else my J mean?  I dunno.
> > Moving on...
>
> I am indicating that the first-person pronoun "I" is bound to the person 
> Tracy.

Okay spell this one out in the next iteration/draft/whatever.

Meantime I will plod onward.  Don't mind me grumbling and grousing.
...Btw, I am not completely caught up on my email but I don't think you
ever answered my question -- are you anglo or Indian.  Are you related
to the Pritikin of the Pritikin diet (an American diet) fame?  Why do
I wanna know?  Well aside from my selfish curiosity, knowing your native
tongue will help me know whether you might understand words like
"grouse".

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> > [Will be] happy = want a banana.
> >
> > Hmm, [foo] means foo is optional in unix or regexp speak I think.  But I
> > don't think he means that.  It could be a clarificatory parens, but then
> > why not use ( rather than [....And sure, if you want X then this sorta
> > equals if you get X then you will be happy.  Could this be what J is
> > aluding to?
>
> Yah, [] or () works for me.  I am trying to clarify
> verb tense.
>
> Maybe the reason my explaining is not clear is because
> the English language is so quirky.  If you just read
> it through then we can figure out how to present it
> better later.

Okay, I guess so.  Grumble.

>
> > > sentence #2: Mummy gives Tracy an apple for lunch.
> > >

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