Re: Why donʼt gnu.org and RMS sign mail?

[Dmitry Alexandrov]

Richard Stallman <address@hidden> wrote:
> I can't use GPG agent.  The reasons are long and complex.

In other words, you still use the legacy GPG 1.4, donʼt you?  (Otherwise you 
would use gpg-agent already.)

Does it have something to do with the thread below?  If yes, I believe, the 
issue is solvable.

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> I tried installing gpg 2.2 some months ago, but Emacs master ceased to
> recognize when it was asking for a password.  Has anyone had success
> with this?
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> > I tried installing gpg 2.2 some months ago, but Emacs master ceased to
> > recognize when it was asking for a password.  Has anyone had success
> > with this?
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> When I had the same problem, the only way to get out of this situation
> was to manually decrypt a file from an old format, and encrypt it again
> in a new format, e.g.
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> gpg --ignore-mdc-error --output file.txt --decrypt file.gpg
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> Juri Linkov <address@hidden> writes:
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> >> I tried installing gpg 2.2 some months ago, but Emacs master ceased to
> >> recognize when it was asking for a password.  Has anyone had success
> >> with this?
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> > When I had the same problem, the only way to get out of this situation
> > was to manually decrypt a file from an old format, and encrypt it again
> > in a new format, e.g.
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> > gpg --ignore-mdc-error --output file.txt --decrypt file.gpg
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> ignore-mdc-error
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> in ~/.gnupg/gpg.conf
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> Emacs has nothing to do with this. It was a change on gnupg.
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>   > When I had the same problem, the only way to get out of this situation
>   > was to manually decrypt a file from an old format, and encrypt it again
>   > in a new format, e.g.
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>   > gpg --ignore-mdc-error --output file.txt --decrypt file.gpg
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> GPG 1 can decrypt all the files I receive, so I don't think my problem
> has to do with a difference in format.  I think you must have had a
> different problem.
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> Dr Richard Stallman
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> Richard Stallman wrote:
> > I tried installing gpg 2.2 some months ago, but Emacs master ceased to
> > recognize when it was asking for a password.  Has anyone had success
> > with this?
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> Emacs master works for me on my Ubuntu 18.04.1 desktop, where "gpg --version" 
> reports gpg (GnuPG) 2.2.4 with libgcrypt 1.8.1.
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> Emacs master (like Emacs 26.1) delegates password handling to gpg2. That is, 
> Emacs itself isn't responsible for reading passphrases; gpg2 does it for Emacs. 
> On my desktop, when I am using Emacs and need a GPG passphrase, a window pops 
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> (I assume generated by the GPG agent), and the agent remembers the key.
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> If you want to continue to type the passphrase into Emacs, here is a relevant 
> 20-message thread, dated 2016:
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> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2016-02/msg00102.html
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> with the conclusion seeming to be "it's not worth the trouble".
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> > From: Paul Eggert <address@hidden>
> > Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2018 16:47:29 -0800
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> > If you want to continue to type the passphrase into Emacs, here is a relevant 
> > 20-message thread, dated 2016:
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> > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2016-02/msg00102.html
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> > with the conclusion seeming to be "it's not worth the trouble".
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> NEWS.26 (or just NEWS if you use Emacs 26) has some text about this;
> search for "gpg".  Maybe the information there will be useful as well
> (I don't use gpg, so I have no idea).
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> [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider    ]]]
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>   > Emacs master (like Emacs 26.1) delegates password handling to gpg2. That 
> is, 
>   > Emacs itself isn't responsible for reading passphrases; gpg2 does it for 
> Emacs.
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> I should have added that I always use Emacs on a tty.
> When gpg tries to read the password on a tty under Emacs,
> it does not work: both programs try to read at once
> and it is unpredictable which one gets each character.
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> With gpg 1, something in Emacs recognizes that it wants a password,
> reads the password in Emacs, then passes it to gpg.  That method works.
> But it doesn't seem to activate when using gpg 2.
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> Has anyone seen this problem?
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> Dr Richard Stallman
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> On 02/12/2018 16:47 -0800, Paul Eggert wrote:
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> > Richard Stallman wrote:
> >> I tried installing gpg 2.2 some months ago, but Emacs master ceased to
> >> recognize when it was asking for a password.  Has anyone had success
> >> with this?
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> > Emacs master works for me on my Ubuntu 18.04.1 desktop, where "gpg --version"
> > reports gpg (GnuPG) 2.2.4 with libgcrypt 1.8.1.
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> > Emacs master (like Emacs 26.1) delegates password handling to gpg2. That is,
> > Emacs itself isn't responsible for reading passphrases; gpg2 does it for 
> > Emacs.
> > On my desktop, when I am using Emacs and need a GPG passphrase, a window pops 
> > up
> > (I assume generated by the GPG agent), and the agent remembers the key.
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> > If you want to continue to type the passphrase into Emacs, here is a relevant
> > 20-message thread, dated 2016:
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> > https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2016-02/msg00102.html
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> > with the conclusion seeming to be "it's not worth the trouble".
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> With (setq epg-pinentry-mode 'loopback), gpg redirects passphrase
> quering to Emacs.  This works ok in master.  No other settings should be
> required for that.
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> Filipp
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> On Mon, 03 Dec 2018 18:17:59 +0300 Filipp Gunbin <address@hidden> wrote: 
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> FG> With (setq epg-pinentry-mode 'loopback), gpg redirects passphrase
> FG> quering to Emacs.  This works ok in master.  No other settings should be
> FG> required for that.
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> At least for me, that was insufficient. The GnuPG configuration (usually
> ~/.gnupg/gpg-agent.conf) needed this before the loopback worked:
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> allow-loopback-pinentry
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> HTH
> Ted
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Ted Zlatanov [2018-12-31 16:21:19Z] wrote:

> On Mon, 03 Dec 2018 18:17:59 +0300 Filipp Gunbin <address@hidden> wrote: 
> FG> With (setq epg-pinentry-mode 'loopback), gpg redirects passphrase
> FG> quering to Emacs. This works ok in master. No other settings
> FG> should be required for that.
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> At least for me, that was insufficient. The GnuPG configuration
> (usually ~/.gnupg/gpg-agent.conf) needed this before the loopback
> worked:
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> allow-loopback-pinentry

"allow-loopback-pinentry" is the default, at least in gpg 2.1.18. I
believe it wasn't the default at first when the feature was introduced.

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> On Mon, 31 Dec 2018 18:46:12 +0200 Teemu Likonen <address@hidden> wrote: 
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> TL> "allow-loopback-pinentry" is the default, at least in gpg 2.1.18. I
> TL> believe it wasn't the default at first when the feature was introduced.
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> Ah, thanks for letting me know. I definitely needed it back then and
> haven't kept up with the releases.
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> Dear Filipp,
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> >>>>> Filipp Gunbin <address@hidden> writes:
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>     Filipp> On 02/12/2018 16:47 -0800, Paul Eggert wrote:
>     >> Richard Stallman wrote:
>     >>> I tried installing gpg 2.2 some months ago, but Emacs master
>     >>> ceased to recognize when it was asking for a password.  Has
>     >>> anyone had success with this?
>     >> 
>     >> Emacs master works for me on my Ubuntu 18.04.1 desktop, where
>     >> "gpg --version" reports gpg (GnuPG) 2.2.4 with libgcrypt 1.8.1.
>     >> 
>     >> Emacs master (like Emacs 26.1) delegates password handling to
>     >> gpg2. That is, Emacs itself isn't responsible for reading
>     >> passphrases; gpg2 does it for Emacs.  On my desktop, when I am
>     >> using Emacs and need a GPG passphrase, a window pops up (I assume
>     >> generated by the GPG agent), and the agent remembers the key.
>     >> 
>     >> If you want to continue to type the passphrase into Emacs, here
>     >> is a relevant 20-message thread, dated 2016:
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>     >> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/help-gnu-emacs/2016-02/msg00102.html
>     >> 
>     >> with the conclusion seeming to be "it's not worth the trouble".
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>     Filipp> With (setq epg-pinentry-mode 'loopback), gpg redirects
>     Filipp> passphrase quering to Emacs.  This works ok in master.  No
>     Filipp> other settings should be required for that.
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> This works for emacs-27 even if you ssh in to a remote machine and
> launch emacs from there. Thanks Filipp for this, I've found it very
> useful.
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> Best wishes,
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