Re: the GNU bug tracker, use it or have something similar? Gmane might block attachments in bug reports

[Max Nikulin]

On 26/10/2021 02:21, Uwe Brauer wrote:
> Max Nikulin writes:
> > I am unsure to which list you are going to send a copy. Emacs-orgmode
> > is hosted on gnu.org just as other emacs lists.
>
> To bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org
> That one I can access via debbugs-org
>
> That function seems a good compromise: it does not require to be
> subscribed to the list, and it does not suffer from gmane's problem.

I may be wrong in some minor details, but Emacs bug tracker (among other 
GNU projects) resides on https://debbugs.gnu.org/ Its main interface 
though is email, but ...@debbugs.gnu.org, not bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org. The 
latter is just a broadcast notification channel. I do not think, 
messages sent directly to bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org are forwarded to 
debbugs.gnu.org. Sometimes emacs-orgmode is added as Cc address for bugs 
tracked by debbugs. In such cases it is better to reply directly to mail 
address associated with the bug, not to the mail list, otherwise the 
response will not appear in the debbugs archive.

> When I call debbugs-org I do not see my bug, are you saying I should?

You may see your bug on https://updates.orgmode.org/ that is independent 
tracker, see e.g. 87wnmtb7dd.fsf@gnu.org/">https://list.orgmode.org/87wnmtb7dd.fsf@gnu.org/
However someone should confirm that it is a real bug.

https://list.orgmode.org/87v9kavoms.fsf@gnu.org/
Bastien. Re: issue tracker? Mon, 01 Jun 2020 16:36:59 +0200
> I'd like to keep this mailing list as the central place to discuss
> everything about Org, including bug reports.

I do not know what are the reasons why Bastien prefers to develop 
"Woof!" instead of relying on much more powerful debbugs. As to me, for 
some reason it requires a bit more time and cognitive efforts to realize 
current status of a debbugs issue in comparison to the most of other 
trackers. In addition, I do not like that GNU's debbugs instance exposes 
contents to general purpose search engines in a form that makes it hard 
to provide relevant search results and descriptive summary snippet (due 
to some performance reasons). So bugs are often rates much lower than 
reddit threads and stackexchange questions.

> Well one thing I learned is to stick to emacs -Q strictly, but I would
> like to know whether debbugs-org could access this bug?

org-submit-bug-report may act better by adding a warning that user may 
expose some private information to public and by suggesting -Q if state 
size is above some threshold.

-Q is mentioned in almost all sources related to bug reports, e.g.
https://orgmode.org/manual/Feedback.html (info "(org) Feedback")

debbugs-org is an interface to debbugs, but Org mostly uses mail list 
directly and updates.orgmode.org, so the only way to get a bug in 
debbugs-org is to send it to debbugs. It is neither forbidden nor 
encouraged.