Re: bug#44935: Emacs inserts hardwired org-agenda-files variable, overwriting user options

[Tim Cross]

Christopher Dimech <dimech@gmx.com> writes:

>> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2020 at 1:09 AM
>> From: "Tim Cross" <theophilusx@gmail.com>
>> To: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
>> Subject: Re: bug#44935: Emacs inserts hardwired org-agenda-files variable, 
>> overwriting user options
>>
>>
>> daniela-spit@gmx.it writes:
>>
>> >> Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 10:51 PM
>> >> From: "Gyro Funch" <gyromagnetic@gmail.com>
>> >> To: daniela-spit@gmx.it, "Kyle Meyer" <kyle@kyleam.com>
>> >> Cc: emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
>> >> Subject: Re[2]: bug#44935: Emacs inserts hardwired org-agenda-files 
>> >> variable, overwriting user options
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >>  Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 at 10:20 PM
>> >> >>  From: "Kyle Meyer" <kyle@kyleam.com>
>> >> >>  To: daniela-spit@gmx.it
>> >> >>  Cc: "gyro funch" <gyromagnetic@gmail.com>, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
>> >> >>  Subject: Re: bug#44935: Emacs inserts hardwired org-agenda-files 
>> >> >> variable, overwriting user options
>> >> >>
>> >> >>daniela-spit@gmx.it writes:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>  >> From: "gyro funch" <gyromagnetic@gmail.com>
>> >> >>  [...]
>> >> >>  >> If I'm not mistaken, all of the development is done by volunteers.
>> >> >>  >>
>> >> >>  >> Perhaps you could help resolve your issue instead of asking other
>> >> >>  >> people, who are likely already overworked, to shoulder the burden.
>> >> >>  >
>> >> >>  > Is there a mailing list for abuse?  If I want abuse I shall ask for 
>> >> >> it.
>> >> >>  > Loser!
>> >> >
>> >> >>  I don't see anything that gyro said as abuse.  Name calling, on the
>> >> >>  other hand, has no place on this list.
>> >> >
>> >> >One asks for help, and people tell you to go fix it yourself.  If there
>> >> >is any disrespect, you bring it upon yourselves.  And now you start.
>> >> >Another Gnu Goon.
>> >>
>> >> I have found that people on this list are extremely friendly, courteous,
>> >> and helpful.
>> >> I suggest that you look back at the way you asked for/demanded help and
>> >> the various responses you gave in this thread.
>> >> Taking on an attitude of entitlement and showing a lack of respect for
>> >> others, their perspectives, and efforts may not be the best way to get
>> >> help.
>> >
>> > Nonsense.
>>
>> Not nonsense at all. You responses have become rude and unhelpful. I can
>> understand how you may be frustrated by the bug reporting situation, but
>> your response to that frustration has been to complain and be critical in
>> a very non-constructive manner. You have now descended into name calling
>> and personal abuse. You are beginning to exhibit behaviour
>> which is not welcome here and which will result in people ignoring your
>> posts. Multiple people have now pointed this out, which should make you
>> stop and think rather than become emotional and respond defensively.
>>
>> the ball is now in your court. How you respond will influence how others
>> respond to your requests and suggestions going forward.
>
> Please be aware that it was pointed out that one can configure
> org-agenda-skip-unavailable-files to a non-nil value if she wants
> non-existing/unreadable files to be skipped.
>
> But that option isn't mentioned in the manual or the docstring of the
> org-agenda-files option.  The problem is known and has been a source of great
> frustration, that's why it was introduced.
>
> Daniela is quite right.  If multiple people don't want to help her, that's
> fine, many others will.
>

The issue at this point wasn't about whether there is a problem with how
org manages org-agenda-files or even the acknowledged weakness in the
documentation which needs a patch. The issue here is about attitude and
being respectful.

We can disagree on things. Opposing views are a good thing provided the
expression of these opposing views is done with respect. This means no
personal attacks, no calling names, no personal abuse.

We all have different levels of sensitivity and some have thicker skin
than others. However, once multiple people express the opinion that an
attitude is not appropriate for the list, the responsibility is with the
originator to consider that feedback and either adjust to meet community
expectations, leave the community or continue without change and accept
whatever consequences (if any) the list decides is appropriate.

--
Tim Cross