Re: [Denemo-devel] One verse per page for projector presentation

[Richard Shann]

On Thu, 2015-09-24 at 09:02 +0000, Kevin Wenz wrote:
> 
> With your help i got the result i needed. I hoped there would be a
> simpler way (e.g. without copying the chorus' lyrics), but it works
> that's most important :)

Well, sparked off by your helpful question it now is much simpler - if
you use the latest version (which will be version 2.0 shortly) 

http://denemo.org/~jjbenham/gub/uploads/denemo-mingw-0.0.0.zip

you can start with precisely your file as a starting point and add verse
and chorus movements alternately to the score layout, selecting the
verse you want for each of the verse movements (by deleting the verses
you don't want). A much more intuitive thing to be doing than creating
dummy movements just to get the layout to have them.

The only tricky bit is you have to set the titles, the page size and so
on before starting on the layout. In particular, for the projector
display you may want a custom aspect ratio for your score - certainly
not the A4 portrait default!

 Oh, and that version fixes a potential crash in the Command Center -
there was one command which had an "&" character in its label, if you
stopped on that it could crash!

Richard

> 
> 
> Thank you very much!
> 
> 
> Richard Shann <address@hidden> schrieb am Do., 17. Sep. 2015
> um 10:56 Uhr:
> 
>         On Thu, 2015-09-17 at 09:27 +0100, Richard Shann wrote:
>         > Ok, I have stepped through how to do this:
>         
>         Whoops! I didn't actually step through the last bit, adding
>         titles, page
>         breaks etc, else I would have remembered that you have to do
>         that
>         *before* creating the Score Layout. Once you have a score
>         layout setting
>         the titles has to be done within the score layout (it means
>         each layout
>         can have different titles and page breaks etc, which is
>         usually needed).
>         
>         Richard
>         
>         
>         
>         >
>         > First create Movement 1 with the music of the first verse
>         and the lyrics
>         > of the first verse
>         > Then Movment 2 with music of chorus and chorus lyrics
>         >
>         > Then movements 3, 4, 5 ... with empty music and lyrics for
>         verse 2,
>         > lyrics for chorus, lyrics for verse 3, lyrics for chorus ...
>         > respectively.
>         >
>         > Notice that you do, unfortunately have to keep pasting the
>         chorus lyrics
>         > - that is really a minor bug that you can't just refer to
>         one set of
>         > lyrics in the score layout.
>         >
>         > Once you have this set up you do View->Score Layout
>         > Choose Customize and Replace the Default Score Layout.
>         > Then you have to expand each movement, expand the staff,
>         expand the
>         > voice and Substitute the music. Starting with movement after
>         the second
>         > (chorus) you substitute the music from Movement 1 or
>         Movement 2
>         > depending on whether it is a verse or a chorus.
>         >
>         > This "substitute the music" is not as friendly as it could
>         be, it
>         > doesn't offer you a list of musics to choose, you have to
>         edit the name
>         > of the music: the name of the music is constructed like this
>         >
>         > \MvmntXXXVoiceYYY
>         >
>         > for movement XXX voice YYY
>         >
>         > so for example:
>         >
>         > \MvmntIVVoiceI
>         >
>         > is referring to Voice I of Movement IV
>         >
>         > You will always have VoiceI, and you will want the
>         references to either
>         > MvmntI for the verse or MvmntII for the chorus.
>         >
>         > The \ sign, by the way, is LilyPond's way of making a
>         reference to that
>         > music.
>         >
>         > Some things to be careful about: those large X buttons are
>         delete
>         > buttons, they can't be undone, so be especially careful if
>         the Score
>         > Layout window has gotten hidden behind the Display window,
>         clicking on
>         > the bit that is visible could spell disaster for your layout
>         if the bit
>         > visible is a delete button!
>         > Second, once you have re-loaded the score you will only have
>         the
>         > LilyPond syntax to edit, this GUI interface is one-off only.
>         Having said
>         > that, the LilyPond editing is not very hard, if you look at
>         the bottom
>         > of the View->LilyPond window you will see all the movements
>         each one a
>         > block of text like this:
>         >
>         >
>         > \score { %Start of Movement
>         >  <<
>         >
>         > %Start of Staff
>         > \new Staff = "Part 1"  <<
>         >  \new Voice = "VoiceIMvmntIV"  {
>         >   \clef treble
>         > { \key c \major}
>         > { \time 4/4 }
>         >  \MvmntIVVoiceI                } %End of voice
>         >
>         > >>
>         > %End of Staff
>         >
>         >         \new Lyrics = MvmntIVVoiceIVerseI
>         >
>         >         \MvmntIVVoiceIVerseIContext
>         >
>         > >>
>         >
>         > \header {
>         > title = ##f
>         > instrument = ##f
>         >
>         > }
>         >
>         > } %End of Movement
>         >
>         >
>         > All that fiddling about with the Score Layout GUI in this
>         case is just
>         > replacing the line
>         >
>         >  \MvmntIVVoiceI                } %End of voice
>         > with the line
>         >  \MvmntIVoiceI                } %End of voice
>         >
>         > if it is the verse or with \MvmntIIVoiceI if it is a chorus.
>         >
>         > But I know some people just block-up when they see a page of
>         > gobbledegook ...
>         >
>         > Then, of course you add title page, movement titles and page
>         breaks
>         > between movements all as usual. You may want landscape page
>         setting if
>         > it is for a wide projection screen...
>         >
>         > HTH
>         >
>         > Richard
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         > On Wed, 2015-09-16 at 21:46 +0100, Richard Shann wrote:
>         > > It is late at night here, so I will just answer very
>         briefly (more
>         > > tomorrow)
>         > >
>         > >
>         > > On Wed, 2015-09-16 at 20:06 +0000, Kevin Wenz wrote:
>         > > >
>         > > > Thanks for your answer!
>         > > >
>         > > >
>         > > > The verses should be laid out underneath the notes and
>         the notes
>         > > > should be repeated for every verse/chorus.
>         > > >
>         > > >
>         > > > If my song has a chorus and 2 verses it should look like
>         that:
>         > > > ---------------------------
>         > > >
>         > > > -- first page --
>         > > >
>         > > > Title of the song
>         > > >
>         > > > Copy right
>         > > > ....
>         > > >
>         > > >
>         > > > -- second page --
>         > > >
>         > > > contains: the text and the notes of the first verse (the
>         verse's
>         > > > syllables should be placed under each corresponding
>         note)
>         > > >
>         > > > -- thirds page --
>         > > > contains: the text and the notes of the chorus (again
>         the text is laid
>         > > > out under the notes)
>         > > >
>         > > > -- fourth page --
>         > > > contains: the text and the notes of the second verse
>         (again the text
>         > > > is laid out under the notes)
>         > > >
>         > > > -- fifth page --
>         > > > contains: the text and the notes of the chorus (once
>         again the text is
>         > > > laid out under the notes)
>         > > > ------------------------------
>         > > >
>         > > >
>         > > >
>         > > > Okay i have to use the 'Score Layout'.
>         > > >
>         > > > For now i have 2 movements (one for the verses and one
>         for the
>         > > > chorus). How can i change the order of the specified
>         verses and the
>         > > > chorus in the 'Score Layout'. The only things i am
>         seeing are the
>         > > > 'score-wide settings' and the two movements (the thing i
>         can do is
>         > > > changing the verses order inside a movement).
>         > > >
>         > > > Is it possible to add more movements and reuse the
>         notes?
>         > >
>         > > Yes, that is one approach you can use, I'll do an example
>         tomorrow.
>         > >
>         > > >  Do i have the wrong approach? Or do i maybe have to
>         work with
>         > > > lilypond commands?
>         > >
>         > > I'm sure it won't involve editing actual LilyPond - you
>         have all the
>         > > ingredients to hand.
>         > >
>         > > Richard
>         > >
>         > > >
>         > > >
>         > > > Greetings
>         > > >
>         > > > - Kevin
>         > > >
>         > > >
>         > > > Richard Shann <address@hidden> schrieb am Mi.,
>         16. Sep. 2015
>         > > > um 17:03 Uhr:
>         > > >
>         > > >         On Wed, 2015-09-16 at 15:32 +0100, Richard Shann
>         wrote:
>         > > >         > so unless you can
>         > > >         > work editing that
>         > > >         sorry, that was garbled, omitting the quoted bit
>         renders it
>         > > >         intelligible...
>         > > >         R
>         > > >
>         > >
>         > >
>         > >
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