Re: Entering Chords using Nashville Number System

[Valentin Petzel]

Hi Amelie,

@1: The </> mechanism is not hard coded but automatic. Thus we can get 
arbitrarily small anticipations.

@2: This is a chase of a Chord Name exception (diminished as root° insteat of 
root m b5), which are not yet properly supported here.

@3: This is a case of a triplet, which again I’ve not yet done.

@4: Yes, this was more or less a placeholder. Should such specifications be 
inline or above the chord names? Having it inline would probably be cleaner in 
terms of vertical spacing.

@5: I’ve now changed the default to UP, but tie direction is overridable using 
^~ and _~. The choice what chords to use them on is on to the user.

Cheers,
Valentin

Am Donnerstag, 20. Jänner 2022, 09:30:03 CET schrieb Amelie Protscher:
> Hi Valentin, all,
> 
> this looks very good, but I have a few questions:
> 
> (1) I'm sure nobody will use chords anticipated by 1/32, 1/64, and 1/128
> (bars 10, 12, 14). If they're just there for completeness's sake, that's
> fine, but stuff like that just never happens.
> 
> (2) I don't know what the symbol 7-° stands for (bars 16, 18, 22).
> Either the chord is minor, then it has to get a -, or it is diminished,
> then it gets a °. They both exclude each other.
> 
> (3) Although we are in 4/4 time, bar 24 include 5 dots. That won't work.
> If a measure requires dots because of uneven division, it has to get as
> many dots as it has counts. A NNS reader would read this as a single
> measure of 5/4 time and expect that measure to be surrounded by
> parentheses – the usual symbol to denote a single bar of a different
> time signature.
> 
> (4) Key changes with flats or sharps (as before bar 27) aren't customary
> in NNS. Rather, we should print "Key of G-" or "Key of Bb" as a
> rehearsal mark.
> 
> (5) Ties in NNS are usually only between diamonds, and usually on the
> top, not the bottom of the chord symbol.
> 
> That's it from my end. Thanks for everything you've done! I'd say 90% of
> NNS functionality is present by now!
> 
> Warm regards,
> 
> Amy
> 
> On 20.01.22 03:48, Valentin Petzel wrote:
> > Hi Amelie,
> > 
> > See here the current status quo. Alignment is still not done, and 3,4 are
> > still missing.
> > 
> > Cheers,
> > Valentin
> > 
> > Am Dienstag, 18. Jänner 2022, 14:25:56 CET schrieb Amelie Protscher:
> >> Hi Valentin,
> >> 
> >> I'm sorry. I thought it was a matter of course that time sig and key
> >> were specified in the NNS environment, and thus accessible from there
> >> because the whole system depends on it. Or is there a deeper
> >> misunderstanding there that we haven't yet covered?
> >> 
> >> As for the typical formatting of a NNS-only chart, it usually consists
> >> of the NNS line, with linebreaks usually every 4 bars (for a 2-column
> >> layout) or every 8 bars (for full width), rehearsal marks, dynamic
> >> indications and repeats/alternatives. When a melody, a drum groove or
> >> the like needs to be specified, there's also a regular staff.
> >> 
> >> Key, time signature and stuff would usually be placed into the \header.
> >> Time sig/key changes during the piece would have to be printed into the
> >> chart, though.
> >> 
> >> To visually separate the different sections of a piece, some also put a
> >> horizontal line between two NNS lines.
> >> 
> >> Hope that gives you an impression how this is supposed to look. If not,
> >> I can handwrite an example.
> >> 
> >> Cheers,
> >> 
> >> Amy
> >> 
> >> On 18.01.22 13:08, Valentin Petzel wrote:
> >>> Hi Amelie,
> >>> 
> >>> I mean exactly that. If the duration of a count is the denom of the time
> >>> sig then there needs to be a way to specify it. The probably most
> >>> obvious
> >>> way would of course be simply including Time Sigs into the chart.
> >>> 
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Valentin
> >>> 
> >>> Am Dienstag, 18. Jänner 2022, 08:43:59 CET schrieb Amelie Protscher:
> >>>> Hi Valentin,
> >>>> 
> >>>> I'm not sure I know what you mean. Do you mean the time changes in
> >>>> parentheses (for just one bar or a few) or a completely new time
> >>>> signature specified by a fraction? And what do you mean by the base
> >>>> duration – is it the duration of one count? That's the denominator of
> >>>> the time signature.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Oh, by the way: NNS by default does not support a harmonic tempo
> >>>> greater
> >>>> than one chord change per count. If we were counting fourths, then
> >>>> there
> >>>> could be 4 chord changes to a measure of common time, although these
> >>>> could be displaced 1/8 ahead (<), 1/16 ahead (<<) or 1/16 behind (>>).
> >>>> But a 4/4 measure with, say, 8 chord changes of 1/8 duration each would
> >>>> break the system, unless we invent a new symbol (which we shouldn't, I
> >>>> think).
> >>>> 
> >>>> Another important thing are harmonic rests, when no chords are played.
> >>>> They should receive the mark "N.C." (no chord).
> >>>> 
> >>>> And we need to pay attention we make the rhythmic markings switchable.
> >>>> Because if you print NNS chords above a staff containing the music, the
> >>>> vertical alignment makes it clear at what point in time the chords are
> >>>> supposed to be sounded and all the dots and underlines and
> >>>> greater/smaller signs would just be visual clutter.
> >>>> 
> >>>> However, if NNS is printed without a staff, the rhythmic markings
> >>>> become
> >>>> essential.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Let me know if that makes any sense.
> >>>> 
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>> 
> >>>> Amy
> >>>> 
> >>>> On 18.01.22 00:27, Valentin Petzel wrote:
> >>>>> Yes, the ties are not yet done. I basically doing this in the order
> >>>>> that
> >>>>> is on your sheet, also these won’t be particularly hard to do. And I
> >>>>> do
> >>>>> know that some compositions on the sheet are not likely to be useful.
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> When a time change occurs how do we specify what the base duration is?
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>> Valentin

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