Re: Woctave-another gui front end

[Benjamin Abbott]

On Dec 20, 2012, at 4:06 PM, Sergei Steshenko <address@hidden> wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Benjamin Abbott <address@hidden>
>> To: Sergei Steshenko <address@hidden>
>> Cc: Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso <address@hidden>; "address@hidden" 
>> <address@hidden>
>> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 11:01 PM
>> Subject: Re: Woctave-another gui front end
>> 
>> On Dec 20, 2012, at 3:56 PM, Sergei Steshenko <address@hidden> wrote:
>> 
>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: Benjamin Abbott <address@hidden>
>>>> To: Sergei Steshenko <address@hidden> 
>>>> Cc: Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso <address@hidden>;
>> "address@hidden" <address@hidden> 
>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 10:51 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: Woctave-another gui front end
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Dec 20, 2012, at 3:46 PM, Sergei Steshenko
>> <address@hidden> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> 
>>>>> From: Jordi Gutiérrez Hermoso <address@hidden>
>>>>> To: Sergei Steshenko <address@hidden>
>>>>> Cc: Stephen Montgomery-Smith <address@hidden>;
>> "address@hidden" <address@hidden>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2012 10:30 PM
>>>>> Subject: Re: Woctave-another gui front end
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 20 December 2012 14:11, Sergei Steshenko
>> <address@hidden> wrote:
>>>>> Regarding open source but not quite free - have a look at METIS:
>> http://glaros.dtc.umn.edu/gkhome/metis/metis/faq?q=metis/metis/faq#distribute
>>  .
>>>>> 
>>>>> METIS is not open source nor free. If you forbid commercial use,
>> you
>>>>> are neither.
>>>>> 
>>>>> - Jordi G. H.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Metis _is_ open source. I _do_ download it and build it from
>> source. Download URLs:
>>>>> 
>>>>> http://www.netlib.org/linalg/metis-4.0.tar.gz
>>>>> http://glaros.dtc.umn.edu/gkhome/fetch/sw/metis/metis-5.0.2.tar.gz
>>>>> 
>>>>> , etc.
>>>>> 
>>>>> You do _not_ have monopoly defining what freedom is.
>>>> 
>>>> Regarding open source, I think Jordi is correct.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_source
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Ben
>>> 
>>> FTA: "Generically, open source refers to a program in which the source
>> code is available to the general public for use and/or modification from its 
>>> original design free of charge, i.e., open.".
>>> 
>>> I have published URLs using which the general public can download METIS
>> source free of charge. The URLs are _not_ of pirated SW kind.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>>    Sergei.
>> 
>> METIS is not generally available for use  for commercial purposes.  Hence, 
>> not 
>> open source.
>> 
>> Ben
> 
> The quoted sentence does _not_ mention commercial use. Open in this context 
> means _not_ closed. I.e. one _can_ see the source.
> 
> So, if consider openness, (non) usage in commercial applications is 
> irrelevant.

You are certainly welcome to define the terms you use so that you audience 
understands your intended meaning.

When you use terms differently than what is standard for the audience, I 
suggest you do so earlier so as to avoid the back and forth rhetoric.

Ben