Re: Changing gui->AppKit, base->Foundation... etc...

[Richard Frith-Macdonald]

On 19 Nov 2010, at 10:51, Nicola Pero wrote:

> 
> Yes, I agree with this.  The website is key.  I agree work on the website 
> would be extremely
> helpful and good, and that we should study and improve the path that a new 
> user or developer
> is expected to follow.  Make that experience easy and rewarding.  Get them to 
> some juicy,
> exciting bits quickly :-)
> 
> (By the way, we should all try to be very helpful and polite to new users or 
> developers when they
> ask questions or talk to us - that really makes a difference)
> 
> But I'm not sure changing the names of gnustep-base or gnustep-gui in 
> subversion would
> help much with it.  It seems to be a minor detail.  The Apple user/developer 
> looking for
> a free Cocoa clone and with a 5 minute attention timespan shouldn't even need 
> to
> know what gnustep-base or gnustep-gui are to get started; he should be able to
> get his GNUstep package (appropriate for his OS) that includes all that is 
> needed,
> and we want him to be up and running playing with Gorm (and Project Center ?)
> within minutes, bypassing everything else ... :-)
> 
> So maybe the root problem is not with the name of gnustep-base and 
> gnustep-gui, the root problem
> is that new users have to deal directly with gnustep-base and gnustep-gui 
> instead of being able to
> get all their GNUstep development tools ready for actions without being 
> bogged down into details ?

I agree strongly with the above ... 
We want a clear, simple, appealing website
We want easy to grab/install packages

The only people concerned with the libraries in subversion are likely to be the 
small minority thinking about contributing ... we really want to encourage 
those people:
We could have Foundation and AppKit 'contributor' packages for people who want 
to get started using svn and contributing code ... these could contain scripts 
to check out the appropriate libraries from subversion.