Re: [O] Recently emacs hangs on startup due to ESS

[Cook, Malcolm]

John, still recommend you try fresh ess, compiled via package manager.  Also, 
update any packages needing updated.  Maybe speedbar?

I'm dry,

Best,

Malcolm

> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Hendy [mailto:address@hidden
> Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 6:24 PM
> To: Cook, Malcolm
> Cc: emacs-orgmode
> Subject: Re: [O] Recently emacs hangs on startup due to ESS
> 
> On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 5:38 PM, Cook, Malcolm <address@hidden>
> wrote:
> >> On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 5:07 PM, Cook, Malcolm <address@hidden>
> >> wrote:
> >> > I would install latest ess fresh.
> >>
> >> I wondered about that as well, so I tried that prior to posting here.
> >> Sorry, I should have listed my version, which is now 15.03-1.
> >>
> >> > What version of emacs?  The package manager is a moving target
> >> > these
> >> days.
> >>
> >> GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.16.2)
> >> (installed via Arch Linux standard package)
> >>
> >> > Try to use the package manager to interactively install the latest
> >> >
> >> >> - emacs -Q
> >> >> following:
> >> >>
> http://melpa.org/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter#/getting-
> >> star
> >> >> ted
> >> >> - putting this in the buffer
> >> >
> >> > (require 'package) ;; You might already have this line (add-to-list
> >> > 'package-archives
> >> >              '("melpa" . "http://melpa.org/packages/";) t) (when (<
> >> > emacs-major-version 24)
> >> >   ;; For important compatibility libraries like cl-lib
> >> >   (add-to-list 'package-archives '("gnu" .
> >> > "http://elpa.gnu.org/packages/";)))
> >> > (package-initialize) ;; You might already have this line
> >> >
> >>
> >> I could do this, though I've sort of decided to steer away from
> >> packages and just manage things manually via my ~/.elisp/site-lisp
> >> folder. Would this have an affect? My process was to simply download
> >> the .zip of ESS, and unpack to ~/.elisp/site-lisp/ess (after deleting
> >> the old version). This way, my .emacs can continue to point to
> >> ~/.elisp/site-lisp/ess/lisp regardless of what version I have.
> >>
> >> If manual vs. [m]elpa would make a difference, I suppose I could give
> >> the above a whirl.
> >>
> >
> > Well, you'll get everything compiled if you use the package manager.
> Worth it just for that!  There are other ways to get those files 
> byte-compiled,
> but the package manager is probably the best.
> 
> ESS is sounding like compilation is optional, and I never have.
> - http://ess.r-project.org/Manual/ess.html#Installation
> 
> >
> > Also, the package manager can help you discover when updates exist to
> ALL your eamcs packages.  Worth learning for that.
> 
> Definitely. I may look into that. I pretty much just use Org and R, so not 
> super
> worried about it, but I really don't know enough to understand what other
> packages ship with emacs that I could/should be updating!
> 
> >
> > OTOH, as I said, it has been in flux lately and is still a moving target.
> >
> > BTW, when did you last update emacs?
> 
> $ grep emacs /var/log/pacman.log
> 
> [2014-06-14 20:49] [PACMAN] upgraded emacs (24.3-6 -> 24.3-7)
> [2014-10-23 10:28] [PACMAN] upgraded emacs (24.3-7 -> 24.4-1)
> [2015-01-19 01:36] [ALPM] upgraded emacs (24.4-1 -> 24.4-2)
> [2015-04-20 13:14] [ALPM] upgraded emacs (24.4-2 -> 24.5-1)
> 
> >
> > And, does (require 'ess-site) ALL BY ITSELF generate your error?
> >
> 
> Yup, see the original email:
> 
> #+begin_quote
> 
> I can reproduce this with:
> - emacs -Q
> - putting this in the buffer
> 
> (add-to-list 'load-path "/path/to/ess/lisp") (require 'ess-site)
> 
> - M-x eval-region on the above two lines
> 
> #+end_quote
> 
> 
> Thanks for the assistance!
> John
> 
> > ~Malcolm
> >
> >
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >> John
> >>
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> - M-x eval-region on the above lines
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Then, M-x list-packages and install it by positioning the cursor on
> >> > the line
> >> mentioning the ess package from melpa and typing "I".
> >> >
> >> > The type "x" to execute your decision, and confirm with "yes".
> >> >
> >> > Now, delete or move/hide your old ess bits and restart emacs.
> >> >
> >> > Did it work?
> >> >
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: address@hidden
> >> [mailto:emacs-
> >> >> address@hidden On Behalf Of John
> Hendy
> >> >> Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 2:51 PM
> >> >> To: emacs-orgmode
> >> >> Subject: [O] Recently emacs hangs on startup due to ESS
> >> >>
> >> >> Over the past couple of weeks, I've been having some issues with
> >> >> emacs hanging on startup. I usually kill the process, but
> >> >> inadvertently left it in the background today, noting much later
> >> >> that it ended up starting. I played with commenting out various
> >> >> parts of my config until I narrowed things down to the line:
> >> >>
> >> >> (require 'ess-site)
> >> >>
> >> >> the message buffer displays "enabling speedbar support" for a
> >> >> reeeaaally long time before it eventually starts up.
> >> >>
> >> >> I tried debug-on-signal and eval-expression-debug-on-error... I'm
> >> >> not sure what is supposed to happen with debug options, but no
> >> >> debug buffer pops up. The only lines that appear relevant in
> *Messages* are:
> >> >>
> >> >> ad-handle-definition: `ess-indent-command' got redefined
> >> >> ad-handle-definition: `ess-eval-line-and-step' got redefined
> >> >>
> >> >> How might I diagnose this further?. I'm not familiar with chasing
> >> >> down Emacs issues other than narrowing it down to a config file
> option.
> >> >>
> >> >> I can reproduce this with:
> >> >> - emacs -Q
> >> >> - putting this in the buffer
> >> >>
> >> >> (add-to-list 'load-path "/path/to/ess/lisp") (require 'ess-site)
> >> >>
> >> >> - M-x eval-region on the above two lines
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks for any suggestions,
> >> >> John
> >> >