Re: [O] Recently emacs hangs on startup due to ESS

[John Hendy]

On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 5:38 PM, Cook, Malcolm <address@hidden> wrote:
>> On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 5:07 PM, Cook, Malcolm <address@hidden>
>> wrote:
>> > I would install latest ess fresh.
>>
>> I wondered about that as well, so I tried that prior to posting here.
>> Sorry, I should have listed my version, which is now 15.03-1.
>>
>> > What version of emacs?  The package manager is a moving target these
>> days.
>>
>> GNU Emacs 24.5.1 (x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.16.2)
>> (installed via Arch Linux standard package)
>>
>> > Try to use the package manager to interactively install the latest
>> >
>> >> - emacs -Q
>> >> following:
>> >> http://melpa.org/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter#/getting-
>> star
>> >> ted
>> >> - putting this in the buffer
>> >
>> > (require 'package) ;; You might already have this line (add-to-list
>> > 'package-archives
>> >              '("melpa" . "http://melpa.org/packages/";) t) (when (<
>> > emacs-major-version 24)
>> >   ;; For important compatibility libraries like cl-lib
>> >   (add-to-list 'package-archives '("gnu" .
>> > "http://elpa.gnu.org/packages/";)))
>> > (package-initialize) ;; You might already have this line
>> >
>>
>> I could do this, though I've sort of decided to steer away from packages and
>> just manage things manually via my ~/.elisp/site-lisp folder. Would this have
>> an affect? My process was to simply download the .zip of ESS, and unpack to
>> ~/.elisp/site-lisp/ess (after deleting the old version). This way, my .emacs 
>> can
>> continue to point to ~/.elisp/site-lisp/ess/lisp regardless of what version I
>> have.
>>
>> If manual vs. [m]elpa would make a difference, I suppose I could give the
>> above a whirl.
>>
>
> Well, you'll get everything compiled if you use the package manager.  Worth 
> it just for that!  There are other ways to get those files byte-compiled, but 
> the package manager is probably the best.

ESS is sounding like compilation is optional, and I never have.
- http://ess.r-project.org/Manual/ess.html#Installation

>
> Also, the package manager can help you discover when updates exist to ALL 
> your eamcs packages.  Worth learning for that.

Definitely. I may look into that. I pretty much just use Org and R, so
not super worried about it, but I really don't know enough to
understand what other packages ship with emacs that I could/should be
updating!

>
> OTOH, as I said, it has been in flux lately and is still a moving target.
>
> BTW, when did you last update emacs?

$ grep emacs /var/log/pacman.log

[2014-06-14 20:49] [PACMAN] upgraded emacs (24.3-6 -> 24.3-7)
[2014-10-23 10:28] [PACMAN] upgraded emacs (24.3-7 -> 24.4-1)
[2015-01-19 01:36] [ALPM] upgraded emacs (24.4-1 -> 24.4-2)
[2015-04-20 13:14] [ALPM] upgraded emacs (24.4-2 -> 24.5-1)

>
> And, does (require 'ess-site) ALL BY ITSELF generate your error?
>

Yup, see the original email:

#+begin_quote

I can reproduce this with:
- emacs -Q
- putting this in the buffer

(add-to-list 'load-path "/path/to/ess/lisp")
(require 'ess-site)

- M-x eval-region on the above two lines

#+end_quote


Thanks for the assistance!
John

> ~Malcolm
>
>
>>
>> Best regards,
>> John
>>
>> >
>> >>
>> >> - M-x eval-region on the above lines
>> >>
>> >
>> > Then, M-x list-packages and install it by positioning the cursor on the 
>> > line
>> mentioning the ess package from melpa and typing "I".
>> >
>> > The type "x" to execute your decision, and confirm with "yes".
>> >
>> > Now, delete or move/hide your old ess bits and restart emacs.
>> >
>> > Did it work?
>> >
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: address@hidden
>> [mailto:emacs-
>> >> address@hidden On Behalf Of John Hendy
>> >> Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2015 2:51 PM
>> >> To: emacs-orgmode
>> >> Subject: [O] Recently emacs hangs on startup due to ESS
>> >>
>> >> Over the past couple of weeks, I've been having some issues with
>> >> emacs hanging on startup. I usually kill the process, but
>> >> inadvertently left it in the background today, noting much later that
>> >> it ended up starting. I played with commenting out various parts of
>> >> my config until I narrowed things down to the line:
>> >>
>> >> (require 'ess-site)
>> >>
>> >> the message buffer displays "enabling speedbar support" for a
>> >> reeeaaally long time before it eventually starts up.
>> >>
>> >> I tried debug-on-signal and eval-expression-debug-on-error... I'm not
>> >> sure what is supposed to happen with debug options, but no debug
>> >> buffer pops up. The only lines that appear relevant in *Messages* are:
>> >>
>> >> ad-handle-definition: `ess-indent-command' got redefined
>> >> ad-handle-definition: `ess-eval-line-and-step' got redefined
>> >>
>> >> How might I diagnose this further?. I'm not familiar with chasing
>> >> down Emacs issues other than narrowing it down to a config file option.
>> >>
>> >> I can reproduce this with:
>> >> - emacs -Q
>> >> - putting this in the buffer
>> >>
>> >> (add-to-list 'load-path "/path/to/ess/lisp") (require 'ess-site)
>> >>
>> >> - M-x eval-region on the above two lines
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Thanks for any suggestions,
>> >> John
>> >