Re: [O] Org as a publishing toolkit

[Marcelo de Moraes Serpa]

Thanks Thomas. I got enough proof org can really be used to write a
book after finding out that Avdi Grimm wrote and published his
exceptional ruby book (http://exceptionalruby.com/) using org ;)

It's nice to be part of such a great community. Orgmode ROCKS!

Thank you for the help, now I'll get some much needed LaTeX knownledge.

Marcelo.

On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 5:26 PM, Thomas S. Dye <address@hidden> wrote:
> Aloha Marcelo,
>
> I don't /believe/ org will keep you from doing that.
>
> My guess is that you are going to end up redefining the LaTeX \maketitle
> command, see
>
> http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/org-latex-export.html#sec-11_2
>
> I've done this once or twice--it's an adventure for someone with my
> limited programming skills.  You're likely to get needed advice from the
> folks at comp.text.tex if your introductory LaTeX readings don't get you
> where you want to be.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Tom
>
> Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <address@hidden> writes:
>
>> Cool, I will do!
>>
>> But org doesn't impose some structure that might prevent me from
>> putting the cover in the first page? Just curious. I wouldn't also
>> like to have to edit the latex generated afterwards, but that's a
>> possibility.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> Marcelo.
>>
>> On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 4:35 PM, Thomas S. Dye <address@hidden> wrote:
>>> Aloha Marcelo,
>>>
>>> Others might do this differently, but I don't use LaTeX for book
>>> covers.  I only use it for the pages of the book.
>>>
>>> It sounds like your cover image is floating, which is something that
>>> LaTeX does with tables and images.  If you are new to LaTeX and don't
>>> have a feel for how it handles "floats", then I recommend an
>>> introductory text.  Leslie Lamport's book is terrific, but there are
>>> other good introductions on the Internet.
>>>
>>> Org-mode and its LaTeX exporter are *not* going to insulate you from the
>>> need to learn some LaTeX, especially if you intend to write something as
>>> complex as a book.
>>>
>>> hth,
>>> Tom
>>>
>>> Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <address@hidden> writes:
>>>
>>>> Thomas,
>>>>
>>>> I have a more specific question. I have already managed to embed an
>>>> image to act as the cover of the book. However, the image is being
>>>> shown in the third page. I want the sequence to be like this:
>>>>
>>>> 1) Cover image
>>>> 2) The sub-cover:
>>>>
>>>>    "Title""
>>>>  My Name
>>>>    Date
>>>>
>>>> 3) TOC
>>>>
>>>> 4) Intro, chapters...
>>>>
>>>> How could I do that?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance!
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Marcelo.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Thomas S. Dye <address@hidden> wrote:
>>>>> Aloha Marcelo,
>>>>>
>>>>> The approach I would take here, which might not be what you want, would
>>>>> be to use inline markup:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/org-latex-export.html#sec-10_3
>>>>>
>>>>> You would define the output for the various exporters in the link
>>>>> definition, with something fancy for LaTeX and whatever else works in
>>>>> the other export formats you care to support.
>>>>>
>>>>> All the best,
>>>>> Tom
>>>>>
>>>>> Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <address@hidden> writes:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Cool! Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Now that you mention it, I was wondering if something like "condition
>>>>>> export" is possible. For very specific localized LaTeX fetures, it
>>>>>> would be useful. Take this example:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> #+LaTeX_HEADER: \usepackage[T1]{fontenc}
>>>>>>
>>>>>> #+LaTeX:\yinipar{\color{red}H}ello World
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This created a first-letter that is stylized differently. This won't
>>>>>> come out in any other exported, so I'd like to do something like
>>>>>> (NOTE: pseudo-code!)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> #+LaTeX:\yinipar{\color{red}H}ello World
>>>>>>
>>>>>> #iif not LaTeX
>>>>>>    Hello World
>>>>>> #end
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If it is not possible what I can do is to pre-process the orgfile with
>>>>>> something like ERB (I'm familiar with Ruby) or another templating
>>>>>> language before exporting (and even automate it all by calling emacs
>>>>>> in batch mode ;) ), but it'd be nice if org supported that
>>>>>> out-of-the-box.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marcelo.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tue, May 10, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Thomas S. Dye <address@hidden> wrote:
>>>>>>> Marcelo de Moraes Serpa <address@hidden> writes:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi list,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So today I have been reseaching about higher-levels toolkits that
>>>>>>>> could help me get into TeX (and or LaTeX) and at the same time
>>>>>>>> allowing me to keep the text in a more human-readable format (easier
>>>>>>>> to mantain and to convert to other formats if needed).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know that if I want beautiful formatted PDFs I will need to get into
>>>>>>>> TeX / LaTeX, and I already started doing that, but as I said, keeping
>>>>>>>> the text in a higher level format has benefits that you already know
>>>>>>>> about.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So I looked at asciidoc, the lower-level XML-based docbook, markdown,
>>>>>>>> pandoc, ConTeXt, etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then I thought, why not try orgmode?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, after reading this article:
>>>>>>>> http://orgmode.org/worg/org-tutorials/org-latex-export.html, I've then
>>>>>>>> realized how powerful the org-export feature is.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can basically do this:
>>>>>>>>  * Keep the text in a (very) human readable format that I'm used to
>>>>>>>> and that is much better to maintain than any other format I know
>>>>>>>> (markdown / asciidoc) and integrated with my own orgmode personal
>>>>>>>> information manager!
>>>>>>>>  * Add / customize the LaTeX output in *ANY* way I want to. Thanks to
>>>>>>>> org AND babel! From what I can see, there are no limitations on how
>>>>>>>> complex the LaTeX customizations can be, it can essentially match up
>>>>>>>> any other "pure" latex documents out there.
>>>>>>>>  * As noted above, fully support LaTeX while still allowing me to 
>>>>>>>> export to:
>>>>>>>>    * plaintext
>>>>>>>>    * HTML
>>>>>>>>    * DocBook (and hence an array of other formats)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I mean, how cool is that? I'm only starting in TeX/LaTeX so I might be
>>>>>>>> overlooking some limitations, but from what I can see, orgmode is the
>>>>>>>> most pragmatic and powerful publishing framework I have ever come to
>>>>>>>> know.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And what excites me even more is that I can keep my book in my
>>>>>>>> preferred format and still output a beautifully-formatted PDF book
>>>>>>>> *and* still support other formats (such as mobi or epub through
>>>>>>>> docbook). Amazing!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> By the way, if I want to use raw TeX or maybe ConTeXt, is it possible?
>>>>>>>> Not that I need, only curious :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This needs more hype! I don't think people realize how powerful this 
>>>>>>>> is ;)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Marcelo.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Aloha Marcelo,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The LaTeX export tutorial is a work in progress.  I hope you find it
>>>>>>> useful.  When you run across something that doesn't work (or make sense)
>>>>>>> don't hesitate to come back to the list with a query or suggestion.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>>> Tom
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Thomas S. Dye
>>>>>>> http://www.tsdye.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> http://www.tsdye.com
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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