Re: Fw: [Advocate Play Ogg] Two thoughts: automated conversion, and radio4all.net.

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Michael Fötsch wrote:
> Alexandro Colorado wrote:
>   
>> [...] youtube-dl script that basically is a perl language script  
>> that use mencoder with some flags.
>> So the issue is [...] encoding on the theora end.
>> [...] it might be an issue of ffmpeg as opposed
>> to mencoder.
>>     
>
> I don't know. But I can't say I understand all of what you say. And we should 
> keep in mind that web site admins might face similar issues when they try to 
> add support for Ogg (Theora).
>
> Case Study 1:
> One is tempted to believe that everyone who hosts non-free formats is 
> ignorant about the issues, or, which might be worse, knows about them but 
> doesn't care. But sometimes they just don't know how to go about it 
> *technically*.
>
> Recently, Eben Moglen appeared on a webinar about GPLv3. The "open-source" 
> company that hosted the webinar used a Windows-only proprietary audio format. 
> When I read this, my first thought was they're on Microsoft's payroll. :-)
> But it turned out that they just didn't know how to offer Ogg Vorbis 
> downloads unless someone from the community jumped in and lent them a helping 
> hand. 
> (http://www.openlogic.com/blogs/2007/05/the-open-source-community-comes-through-again/)
>
> Case Study 2:
> On a similar note, here's an excerpt from MIT OpenCourseWare's response to my 
> question about supporting Ogg Theora (my notes in brackets):
> -----
> There are several reasons we have opted to utilize RealPlayer on the MIT OCW
> Web site:
> * RealPlayer is the most widespread, standardized STREAMING format. We did
> not want to require everyone to download complete videos before viewing
> them.
> * MIT’s existing streaming video facilities were already using/encoding in
> the RealMedia format when the MIT OCW initiative launched in September 2002. 
> [Conversion possible?]
> * RealMedia is supported by our video hosting partner, Akamai Technologies
> Inc. [Whatever that support consists of...]
> -----
> And a link to a (biased?) user survey: 
> http://web.mit.edu/ocwcom/MITOCW/About/05_Eval_Full_060806_MITOCW.pdf
>
>
> Conclusion:
>
> The next time I ask a site to support Ogg Theora, I'd feel more confident if 
> I knew where to find more information in case they tell me it's impossible 
> for practical reasons. Does anyone here know where I might be able to find 
> this?
>
> Is Ogg Theora within the scope of PlayOgg at all? Or is the campaign only 
> focused on audio at the moment?
>
>
> Kind Regards,
> M.F.
>
>   

very good questions and very good post.
and I think we have to code something fast to make ogg be able to be
played from the web..

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