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RE: lilypond-user Digest, Vol 115, Issue 58
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Philip Thomas |
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RE: lilypond-user Digest, Vol 115, Issue 58 |
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Wed, 13 Jun 2012 09:54:48 +0000 (GMT+00:00) |
Graham Percival wrote:
> I cannot in good conscience encourage anybody to become involved
> with lilypond development
at the present time unless they have a
> mentor.
David Kastrup wrote:
>I would have no qualms encouraging people
>into trying to get involved.
>
>They can expect some friction, naturally, work they do unnecessarily.
>That's a
possible source of frustration. It can be minimized by asking
>for feedback. Now if things are as bad as to make 80%
give up
>eventually, it means that 20% eventually manage to contribute.
>
>20% is more than the 0% we get following
your recommendations.
Graham Percival wrote:
>That's because you are an excellent programmer, mathematician, and
>all-
round "technical guy" who would have no trouble learning git
>if you didn't know it already. I am not -- at best I'd
say that
>I'm a good programmer, almost competent mathematician, and
>passable "technical guy". So I have a great deal
of empathy for
>people who have difficulty with those.
>
>More to the point, I have experience mentoring over 20 people
for
>lilypond doc work. I *know* that people find it difficult. I
>know that people find it difficult even when
somebody else takes
>care of all the git stuff for them! If you want me to listen to
>anybody who says "oh, there's
some friction, but just tell them to
>jump in", then mentor at least 5 people who stick around for at
>least 3 months.
David Kastrup wrote:
>Now if things are as bad as to make 80% give up eventually, it
>means that 20% eventually manage
to contribute.
Graham Percival wrote:
>At the "karma cost" of wasting the time and effort of the 80%.
>I'm not
willing to pay that cost -- especially when we could cut
>that in half with 10-20 hours of prep work.
>
>[...] I want
to get the
>reputation of treating lilypond volunteers well, since that will
>encourage more people to volunteer. By
discouraging people from
>having a hard time now, I'm gambling on a long-term benefit in
>that when the CG is better
and we actively recruit volunteers,
>more people will step up.
I wasn't expecting this to be a tension-free exercise,
especially having followed some other recent threads with interest. Nor am I
going to deflate if an expanded cheatsheet
doesn't materialize or doesn't attract any interest. I'm not especially
tough-skinned, but I have some time on my hands
and the challenge appeals to me. Equally, however, I don't feel inclined, at
least at present, to dive into what for me
would be the LilySwamp of Texinfo, Lilydev and git.
What I would like to attempt, for my part, is to make some
contribution from the perspective of a (comparative but not utter beginner)
user of the non-programmer variety, and it
seems to me that expanding and improving the content of a cheatsheet might be
both useful and within my capacity to
achieve.
While Graham and David may not see eye-to-eye on some questions of approach and
how best to manage user
contributions, I don't feel discouraged by what either of them has said so far
as my working on such a task is
concerned, so I intend to just do it, keeping my aims fairly modest, and see
what the reaction is, if any, to the
result. I don't think I need any technical mentoring at this stage, although
I'll definitely be pleased to get feedback
-- from anyone -- on drafts.
Cheers, Philip
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