Re: New logo and website design proposal

[Luis Felipe López Acevedo]

On 2015-09-18 04:47, Amirouche Boubekki wrote:
> Le 2015-09-17 16:59, Luis Felipe López Acevedo a écrit :
> > On 2015-09-16 03:19, Alex Sassmannshausen wrote:
> > > Beautiful!
> > >
> > > Like Chris, I love the demographically agnostic, yet incredibly 
> > > inviting
> > > drawings.  I also love the overall crisp and modern feel to the whole
> > > site including the proposed new logos.
> > >
> > > Fantastic :-)
>
> +1, I really like the design, I find it well done and welcoming except 
> the
> following...
>
> > I also read on IRC that someone said the drawings were childish.
>
> Some one corrected me. What I mean is that it doesn't look **serious** 
> enough
> in the sens that the drawings would fit way better a tutorial about
> Guile that targets
> children. And I think, it's better to save those drawings that and
> come with other
> illustrations/photos that are more explicit about each topic.


No worries. That's the way I took it when you said "childish".


> There should be a better place between "corporate/megacorp", "chilren
> friendly", "academics"
> and "startup" designs. Maybe if the toons had a gnu/friendly 
> monster/robot
> face instead of human faces it will look less "primary school". Like I 
> said
> the drawing, I'm wondering whether it's for the correct audience.
>
> Some comments on other webites:
>
> - python.org, djangoproject.com, and rust-lang.org look to too 
> impersonnal/dull
>
> - ruby-lang is simple and impersonnal but I think the logo makes it 
> work great
>
> - kivy.org is really well made
>
> - http://elm-lang.org/ nice, not too dull
>
> Really the design is really well made, no problem with that, I just
> want to be sure
> that we won't disappoint the main audience and attract a lot of
> newsbies which i think
> we are not ready for.
>
> If I can vote, I will +0.

I get you point about the illustrations, but I disagree :)

My Idea was to put "newbies" first without leaving out the experts. 
Maybe with this change we can push ourselves a bit to make the project 
be ready for people getting started in programming (it is not far from 
that, I think).

I think that having the "Applications made with guile" visible at the 
start, and with good software examples, will encourage any kind of 
person to keep browsing.

However, I'm willing to propose another design if the majority of people 
agree with you.


> I other comments, I think that:
>
> - The header menu should use the same ordering as the guix header menu

+0

> - It should have bulllet points (!) something like 
> https://www.rust-lang.org/
>   This kind of standard a lot of people do that in their README


+1 if someone provides the appropriate text for me to include it in the 
design.


> - It should have a code snippet

+1

> Last but not least, the website is focusing on explaining that Guile is 
> an
> **extension** language. I don't use it as such and neither do many 
> other,
> "it a general programming language with appealing embedding features".
>
> Most people looking for language look for a language to program their 
> car/house,
> website, make REST apis, build games, script their system and some to
> extend their
> software to provide multiple extension language  with the same API.
> This is a really
> massive feature of Guile and a deserve a full block, but other aspects
> of the Guile must
> appear in the page. I think it is bad rep to call it "script" language.


Yeah, Chris suggested something about it:

http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/guile-devel/2015-09/msg00017.html


> I think it's written nowhere that it's a scheme language following
> srfi and RNRS specifications.
> Honestly it was an another argument for me to start using Guile,
> instead of Racket.

That can be added, yes.

> > I understand. But I hope that the "Applications using guile" section
> > will erase any wrong impressions that some people may get after seeing
> > the illustrations.
>
> This design IMO target better young people, I am not sure that's the 
> image
> Guile wants to show at first glance.
>
>
> Hope this helps,
>
>
> Amirouche


Thanks for your feedback, Amirouche :)


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