Re: wip-cite status question and feedback

[Bruce D'Arcus]

On Sat, Apr 24, 2021 at 1:47 PM Nicolas Goaziou <mail@nicolasgoaziou.fr> wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> "Bruce D'Arcus" <bdarcus@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > Some sentence with a concluding citation [cite:@key].
> >
> > ... that should end up like this:
> >
> > Some sentence with a concluding citation.[1]
> >
> > Aside: looking through the CSL spec, it doesn't seem this is
> > documented. It obviously should be.
> >
> > And I don't remember if that convention is locale-specific; e.g. if
> > while that's the standard in English, it could be different in France.
> >
> > In any case, this sort of punctuation modification should be possible.
>
> Could you show more example of this, possibly including quotes the
> citation, or better, a precise description of the punctuation
> modification you have in mind?

Yes.

Denis lays it out in this comment:

https://github.com/citation-style-language/documentation/issues/139#issuecomment-825934813

What he's arguing is that the rules vary by locale, with German, for
example (he's employed at a Swiss-German institution, I believe),
having different conventions than English, and American English
different than British English.

But an example from American English for illustration, derived from
Denis' examples.

"A simple quote" [cite:@doe].

When rendered, that should be this in an author-date style:

"A simple quote" (Doe 2021).

... and this in a note style:

"A simple quote."[^1]

So that rule would suggest something like:

- if a citation concludes a sentence, move the note mark and whatever
trailing quotation mark, outside the period.

But, Denis continues, "While this is perfectly acceptable in American
English, it is not in German, or even in British English. Here we have
to know whether the final period is part of the original quotation. If
yes, it will be put inside the quotes, otherwise outside." I'll paste
the rest of his examples at the end.

It's possible his rule here is more general, and would still be
acceptable in American English.

Does that help explain?

> What may be possible to do is to have `org-cite-wrap-footnote' doing
> such a modification according to an optional argument. So any caller
> (i.e., a processor) could choose to activate it or not, perhaps
> according to language.

This sounds like what would be needed, maybe with a sensible default.

Bruce

>>> Denis' other examples:

Quotation ending with a period:

"A simple quote."[^1]

Quotation not ending with a period:

Variant a)

"A simple quote".[^1]

Variant b)

"A simple quote"[^1].