Re: [O] [Feature Request] - Furigana - Yomigana - Ruby

[Torsten Wagner]

Hi Tristan,

don't get me wrong. Being married to a Chinese and lived in Japan for many years I know exactly what you are talking about ;)

I just feel it needs some clean and well defined way how to implement all those different export features without cluttering the basic exporters.

Somehow the same reason why we use a zillion of packages for LaTeX itself. 

I just got aware of that, by reading your post. Recently, we got new exporters thus, should be the next step to get/define modules for those exporters or even being able to write your own rules easily within the file?

The 2 worst case scenarios IMHO... 

the exporters gets more and more extended getting harder to maintain and error prome

people start forking the exporters html-cjk, html-hangul, html-netscape ;)

Thus, I would love to hear what others might think is the most clean way to add your feature request and be prepared for the many many others in the future.

Greetings 

Torsten

 

On 28 May 2013 17:43, Tristan Nakagawa <address@hidden> wrote:

Hi Torsten,

Thanks for the input,
To have definable export rules would indeed be great, to increase
flexibility while keeping the base exporter simple and lightweight.

I agree that this is somewhat specific, however, I believe that
globally, this is not unfrequent, and will become quite frequent soon:

There is, for example, the ease of drafting and flexibility of output
(print quality pdf and epub-convertible html),so orgmode can be used so
well outside of the traditional latex-technical and science paper realms
for novels, books, blog-posts (org2blog).

And imagining the number of people on this planet speaking Chinese and
japanese, Korean, Thai, and other languages I am not even aware of that
use rubys to help reading, the number of people learning these
languages, creating two-language blog-posts, textbooks, etc etc.

It might take a while before all browsers support the tags (my Firefox
doesnt even yet), but for epub&pdf creation, this would already be great!


(Just to back up the feature-request beyond definately needed and
appreciated discussion about how and if to make the exporter more
modular or costumizable)  ..  =)

best,
Tristan

On 2013-05-28 15:00, Torsten Wagner wrote:
> Hi Tristan,
>
> this feature request seems simple to implement on one side. However, it
> opens a question how to deal with those in general.
> \ruby{東} is a very specific command of the CJK package.
> If this get's implemented in the standard html exporter, other very special
> commands might need to follow. That could easily go into a nightmare. I do
> not have a detailed view how the exporters work now, thus, it is a
> interesting question I want to ask here: How should specific needs for
> exporting (like Tristans) be embedded in the future.
>
> People could fork exporters. Creating e.g. a HTML-CJK exporter.
> Even better would be to have exporter modules which could be loaded by
> users.
>
> #+HTML_MODULES CJK,
>
> However, I believe that for many users, the special cases are not very
> frequent and complex. Might it be possible to create a very simple syntax
> for exporting rules which could be either in those above modules or
> directly within the file written by the user themself?
>
> #+HTML_USER_RULE   \ruby{$1}{$2}, <ruby> $1 <rp>(</rp><rt>$2</rt><rp>)</rp>
> <\ruby>
>
> Would like to hear what other think about that.
>
> Greetings
>
> Torsten
>
>
>
> On 28 May 2013 00:41, T.T.N. <address@hidden> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> So this is my first try to post to the mailing list. I Love Orgmode, you
>> guys are the best!
>>
>> I would like to use orgmode to capture japanese text to later export to
>> latex, html and epub.
>> For japanese symbols, sometimes the pronounciation is put in smaller
>> letters above the symbol to help the reader.
>> These are called ruby in general in typesetting (in japanese, they are
>> also called furigana/yomigana, which I put in the header so not everybody
>> thinks of the programming language..)

>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**Furigana<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furigana>

>>
>> In Latex, using CJK and ruby packages, This exports ok.
>> (A problem being that japanese text in headers doesn't. But i guess that's
>> another (and rather Latex, not orgmode-specific) topic.
>>
>> Now, my feature request would be to make the html exporter interpret the
>> latex command
>> \ruby{symbol}{reading}
>> as:

>> <ruby> symbol <rp>(</rp><rt>reading</rt><rp>**)</rp> <\ruby>

>>
>> as suggested here, for parentheses on non-ruby supporting browsers:

>> http://xahlee.info/js/html5_**ruby_tag.html<http://xahlee.info/js/html5_ruby_tag.html>

>>
>>
>> For the org-mode file (you might see some blank squares if you have no
>> japanese support):
>> Here a minimal working example for export:
>>
>> ###
>> #+LATEX_HEADER: \usepackage[CJK, overlap]{ruby}
>> #+LATEX_HEADER: \usepackage{CJK} \end{CJK}
>> #+LATEX \begin{CJK}{UTF8}{min}
>>
>> "\ruby{東}{ひがし}アジア" means east asia in japanese
>> #+LATEX \end{CJK}
>> ###
>>
>>
>> All the best, and keep on rocking my world in plain text! =)
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