Re: On the adoption of transient.el

[T.V Raman]

yes, the transient window is special in that it is "never current" but
visible --- I too dont like that behavior but live with it because it
supposedly enhances the visible interface (what do I know, I dont look
at the screen:-))
Rudolf Adamkovič writes:
 > This is useful, thank you! C-n/C-p and C-s/C-r solved. Selection 
 > with C-SPC still does not work, e.g. one still cannot copy some 
 > text for a bug report or personal notes. Further, and I forgot to 
 > mention this in my original message, the new transient UI renders 
 > the help system, such as the glorious C-h k, useless. Not being 
 > able to copy text or describe all keys is not what I expect to see 
 > in the official parts of vanilla Emacs.
 > 
 > R+
 > 
 > "T.V Raman" <raman@google.com> writes:
 > 
 > > Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net> writes: 
 > >  
 > > I recently discovered thanks to the transient/magit author that 
 > > once you 
 > >  enable navigation via arrows in transient popups, it also gives 
 > >  you isearch of the transient. We then discovered a bug where 
 > >  using isearch to find a transient option and pressing enter 
 > >  wasn't working, but Jonas has since fixed that and it works. 
 > >  transient-enable-popup-navigation is a variable defined in 
 > >  ‘transient.el’. 
 > > 
 > > Its value is t Original value was nil 
 > > 
 > >   You can customize this variable.  This variable was 
 > >   introduced, or its default value was changed, in version 0.2.0 
 > >   of the transient package. 
 > > 
 > > Whether navigation commands are enabled in the transient popup. 
 > > 
 > > While a transient is active the transient popup buffer is not 
 > > the current buffer, making it necessary to use dedicated 
 > > commands to act on that buffer itself.  If this non-nil, then 
 > > the following features are available: 
 > > 
 > > - "<up>" moves the cursor to the previous suffix. 
 > >   "<down>" moves the cursor to the next suffix.  "RET" invokes 
 > >   the suffix the cursor is on. 
 > > - "<mouse-1>" invokes the clicked on suffix.  - "C-s" and "C-r" 
 > > start isearch in the popup buffer. 
 > >  
 > >> Rudolf Adamkovič <salutis@me.com> writes: 
 > >> 
 > >>> Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net> writes: 
 > >>> 
 > >>>> On the other hand something has always felt off about 
 > >>>> transient, in the sense that it is breaking some expected 
 > >>>> behaviour or couldn't pin-point yet, but just unconsciously 
 > >>>> stumble over.  
 > >>> 
 > >>> This is exactly how I feel about the "modern" interfaces in 
 > >>> Emacs. I reported a bug in Embark recently, and because I 
 > >>> could not select and copy the text, I ended up re-typing the 
 > >>> text that was right in front of me in Emacs. Say what? For me, 
 > >>> Emacs is a program where I expect to never waste time 
 > >>> re-typing anything. Magit has a similar feel to it, and I can 
 > >>> never be sure if the program will allow me to select text in 
 > >>> the diverse parts of its user interface. In my opinion, such 
 > >>> uncertainty is bad for power users. I would expect this from 
 > >>> Apple or Microsoft software, because their latest “UX 
 > >>> designers” surely know better than anyone, but in Emacs? 
 > >> 
 > >> I am not sure if this is something specific to modern 
 > >> interfaces, or rather an overreaching when it comes to binding. 
 > >> After a while I managed to "pin-point" what was irritating me, 
 > >> and it was the missing ability to search (something that I seem 
 > >> to do so passively that i didn't even notice it). Having C-s 
 > >> work is especially useful when there are a lot of transient 
 > >> options. This cannot be solved by binding C-s manually, as just 
 > >> because that might work for me, there is some other behaviour 
 > >> someone else is expecting (eg. your example of selecting and 
 > >> copying text). 
 > >> 
 > >> What I understand transient and certain other packages do is 
 > >> basically override most keys, even those it doesn't use. This 
 > >> is more invasive than special-mode, that just doesn't bind 
 > >> self-insert-command to most keys. What I wonder is why this is 
 > >> done/why it might be necessary. 
 > >> 
 > >>> R+ 
 > > 
 > > --  
 > > 
 > > Thanks, 
 > > 
 > > --Raman(I Search, I Find, I Misplace, I Research) ♈ Id: 
 > > kg:/m/0285kf1  🦮 
 > 
 > -- 
 > "Contrariwise," continued Tweedledee, "if it was so, it might be; 
 > and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's 
 > logic." -- Lewis Carroll, Through the Looking Glass  Rudolf 
 > Adamkovič <salutis@me.com> Studenohorská 25 84103 Bratislava 
 > Slovakia  [he/him]

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Thanks,

--Raman(I Search, I Find, I Misplace, I Research)
♉ Id: kg:/m/0285kf1  🦮

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Thanks,

--Raman(I Search, I Find, I Misplace, I Research)
♉ Id: kg:/m/0285kf1  🦮