Re: On the adoption of transient.el

[Rudolf Adamkovič]

This is useful, thank you! C-n/C-p and C-s/C-r solved. Selection 
with C-SPC still does not work, e.g. one still cannot copy some 
text for a bug report or personal notes. Further, and I forgot to 
mention this in my original message, the new transient UI renders 
the help system, such as the glorious C-h k, useless. Not being 
able to copy text or describe all keys is not what I expect to see 
in the official parts of vanilla Emacs.

R+

"T.V Raman" <raman@google.com> writes:

> Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net> writes: 
>  
> I recently discovered thanks to the transient/magit author that 
> once you 
>  enable navigation via arrows in transient popups, it also gives 
>  you isearch of the transient. We then discovered a bug where 
>  using isearch to find a transient option and pressing enter 
>  wasn't working, but Jonas has since fixed that and it works. 
>  transient-enable-popup-navigation is a variable defined in 
>  ‘transient.el’. 
>
> Its value is t Original value was nil 
>
>   You can customize this variable.  This variable was 
>   introduced, or its default value was changed, in version 0.2.0 
>   of the transient package. 
>
> Whether navigation commands are enabled in the transient popup. 
>
> While a transient is active the transient popup buffer is not 
> the current buffer, making it necessary to use dedicated 
> commands to act on that buffer itself.  If this non-nil, then 
> the following features are available: 
>
> - "<up>" moves the cursor to the previous suffix. 
>   "<down>" moves the cursor to the next suffix.  "RET" invokes 
>   the suffix the cursor is on. 
> - "<mouse-1>" invokes the clicked on suffix.  - "C-s" and "C-r" 
> start isearch in the popup buffer. 
>  
> > Rudolf Adamkovič <salutis@me.com> writes: 
> >
> > > Philip Kaludercic <philipk@posteo.net> writes: 
> > >
> > > > On the other hand something has always felt off about 
> > > > transient, in the sense that it is breaking some expected 
> > > > behaviour or couldn't pin-point yet, but just unconsciously 
> > > > stumble over.  
> > >
> > > This is exactly how I feel about the "modern" interfaces in 
> > > Emacs. I reported a bug in Embark recently, and because I 
> > > could not select and copy the text, I ended up re-typing the 
> > > text that was right in front of me in Emacs. Say what? For me, 
> > > Emacs is a program where I expect to never waste time 
> > > re-typing anything. Magit has a similar feel to it, and I can 
> > > never be sure if the program will allow me to select text in 
> > > the diverse parts of its user interface. In my opinion, such 
> > > uncertainty is bad for power users. I would expect this from 
> > > Apple or Microsoft software, because their latest “UX 
> > > designers” surely know better than anyone, but in Emacs? 
> >
> > I am not sure if this is something specific to modern 
> > interfaces, or rather an overreaching when it comes to binding. 
> > After a while I managed to "pin-point" what was irritating me, 
> > and it was the missing ability to search (something that I seem 
> > to do so passively that i didn't even notice it). Having C-s 
> > work is especially useful when there are a lot of transient 
> > options. This cannot be solved by binding C-s manually, as just 
> > because that might work for me, there is some other behaviour 
> > someone else is expecting (eg. your example of selecting and 
> > copying text). 
> >
> > What I understand transient and certain other packages do is 
> > basically override most keys, even those it doesn't use. This 
> > is more invasive than special-mode, that just doesn't bind 
> > self-insert-command to most keys. What I wonder is why this is 
> > done/why it might be necessary. 
> >
> > > R+ 
>
> --  
>
> Thanks, 
>
> --Raman(I Search, I Find, I Misplace, I Research) ♈ Id: 
> kg:/m/0285kf1  🦮 

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and if it were so, it would be; but as it isn't, it ain't. That's 
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