Re: [Dvdrtools-users] Re: Problem burning to LG DVDRAM GSA-4167B -- ProDVD only does DVD-R

[John]

bleagh well, my previous email to this list seems to have been 
rejectded by a moderator possibly.

Anyway I just have to say that, yes cdrecord-prodvd has recorded 
to +R media for a long time, but i agree 100% with Bryan here, the 
results from cdrecord-prodvd and pioneer drives were absolute 
RUBBISH

crecord-prodvd and pioneer drives have made dvd burning a HELL 
for me for the last 2 years.

It INFURIATES me, first that Pioneer, and 2nd that this Jorg guy 
can claim their hadrware/software supports +R when the results 
are such absolute crap.

If you do a verify of what has been written, like I do, you find there 
are errors on so many discs its it horrifying. And i am talking about
doing the verify immediately after burning, so its not dust or scratches 
on the disc that has caused the verify error.


So I would say, to anyone:

1) get an LG drive
2) if u wanna use +R media, use growisofs, 

cdrecord-prodvd is ok for -R, but forget doing +R with it. 
It CAN be done, probably, like Bryan says using some -R emulation 
mode of the drive, but the results are completely unreliable, even 
with GOOD verbatim media.

growisofs, LG, and +R -- for those who want to know the bare minimum 
required to burn DVDs hassle-free - that should do it. Or, for windows 
users... just get LG drive and u cant go wrong as long as u get good +R 
media.


On Sun, 1 Jan 2006 08:49 am, Bryan J. Smith wrote:
> On Sun, 2006-01-01 at 10:48 +1300, Volker Kuhlmann wrote:
> > Pioneer A106. I.e. not Ricoh.
>
> Pioneer is _not_ a DVD+RW firmware drive.
> It is a DVD-RW firmware drive.
>
> And Pioneer produces very _poor_ DVD+R media as a result.
> I think we've been through this.
>
> It wouldn't surprise me if your A106 is recording to the DVD+R in an
> _improper_ way, using the DVD-R approach -- which is why Anand (under
> Windows no less) had such poor results in his review of the 06 series a
> few months back with DVD+R in Pioneer DVD-RW drives.
>
> > Yes. Very.
>
> Then the Pioneer must be putting the DVD+RW in DVD-R emulation mode,
> something Sony/Philips _never_ supported.
>
> DVD-RAM and DVD-RW can do such.
>
> >  And look, here, the software agrees with me too:
> > Current: DVD+RW
> > Profile: DVD+R
> > Profile: DVD+RW (current)
> > Profile: DVD-RW sequential overwrite
> > Profile: DVD-RW restricted overwrite
> > Profile: DVD-R sequential recording
> > Profile: DVD-ROM
> > Profile: CD-RW
> > Profile: CD-R
> > Profile: CD-ROM
>
> That's just the software reporting what the _drive_ says it supports,
> *NOT* whether or not these formats can be written to.
>
> > Jörg writes about -prodvd in the README dated Aug 2004 (and Oct 05):
> >         only. This is the reason why support for DVD+R/RW did appear
> > first at 14.4.2003 in cdrecord-ProDVD. These drives use a completely
> > different command set and completely different usage paradigmas. As I
> > received the DVD+R/RW drive samples too late for the 2.0 release
> > (although developer samples have been available more than 6 months
> > earlier) DVD+ support is only available in release 2.01. The way I read
> > that is that the software is expected to burn DVD+R(W) media in those
> > drives capable of doing so. So my advice that it's expected to work was
> > correct (whether I've read the -prodvd manual or not).
>
> You keep mixing concepts.  I have tried to educate you on this, and how
> drive support is rather varied.
>
> Once again, even Jorg gives it to you ...
>
>   "These drives use a completely different command set and
>    completely different usage paradigmas."
>
> CD-R/DVD-R is recorded in byte-by-byte, impossible for DVD-RW, DVD+R and
> DVD+RW.
>
> So the Pioneer must be putting the DVD+RW in DVD-R emulation mode.  Good
> luck with cross drive compatibility -- especially earlier DVD players!
>
> > Typical for people with an I-know-it-all attitude problem to not admit
> > when they've been wrong. Especially when they've just let off a personal
> > tirade on false grounds.
>
> I'm not "all knowing."
>
> You keep giving repeatedly *BAD* advise to new users based on your
> *LIMITED* drive experience.
>
> I have just about _every_ LG GSA-408x/416x model _ever_ produced.  I
> know what these things can do.