Re: Tremolo

[Peter French]

Hi

Working from the comments below I still cannot find the 'two note
tremolo' in the command window.

I might be having a dense day or you might be looking at a different
version of the software.

I can only find 'tremolo', tremolo up', 'tremolo down'.

I might add that so far I have not even looked at the Lillypond code for
any of this.

I am strictly using the GUI for what I have achieved so far.

My use of Denemo is currently not sufficient to warrant the time on a
learning curve for a new language, especially when there is a perfectly
good GUI to use.

I am not averse to learning Lillypond, it is just something I have not
had the time or commitment to do so far.

I tried the command center and added the tremolo command button to the
general menu.

Selecting the two notes I want to use, leaving the cursor between them
and then using the tremolo button.

I get the same two notes on the typeset score with two or three tails
through the second one. (see Current result attachment)

I have added two examples of what I want to achieve. (see Ex_1, Ex_2
attachments)

Sorry for the confusion on the question of voices. Overloading of the
term voice I think.

I have attached a picture of the idea I am looking to create.  (
Singer_2 attachment)

This is a snippet from a religious song called 'My Father watches over me'.

It does demonstrate what I want to achieve, principle singer holding a
note while a second singer sings the echoing text.

This second singer only has a few words occasionally when the first one
is holding a note.

Thanks for your assistance to date

Regards

Pete


On 1/23/2020 7:14 AM, Richard Shann wrote:
> On Thu, 2020-01-23 at 09:55 +0000, Joe Wilkinson wrote:
> > Hi Richard,
> > I looked at Tremolo as I have used it with Mandolin music. I thought
> > it might be possible to
> >   drag the tremolo symbol to where Peter wanted it.
> I think the command
>
> Command: Two Note (or Chord) Tremolo
> Takes the selected two notes or chords and repeats them to make up the duration 
> of a longer note. This will then be typeset using the tremolo notation (beaming 
> placed between notes), while the Denemo Display will show and sound the 
> repetitions.
> Location: Object Menu ▶ Notes/Rests
> Internal Name: TwoNoteTremolo
>
> already does place the tremolo mark where Peter described. I've just
> had a try and it does seem to work:
>
> Insert two semiquavers (1/16th) notes.
> Select them leaving the cursor inside the selection.
> Invoke the command and give 8 as the number of times to sound the notes
> The result is that Denemo fills bar in the display with a further 14
> semiquavers so that the playback sound is right and the typeset shows
> two semibreves (whole notes) with double beam between as Peter
> described.
>
> >   Have you changed the Drag item (in the Typeset Window) command to
> > make it more user friendly. I found it cumbersome (not using split
> > screen I had to close the edit window to avoid getting confused) and
> > couldn't get it to work!
> The double beam created by the above command is not something that
> could be dragged in the Print View - dragging is only possible for
> objects that appear in the Denemo Display as Denemo Directives - either
> standalone or attached to a note/chord.
>
> > 2. edit the tremolo object
> Are you thinking of a tremolo marking on a single note here? I see that
> it does not behave properly when you try to move it :(, it has its own
> edit procedure that doesn't include moving the position of the symbol -
> you would have to delve into the LilyPond syntax to try and do that, my
> guess is that it would be quite arcane.
>
> >   in the edit window. On one occasion I got into the Advanced setting
> > and tried to make it negative
> ??? I think you may mean that you added a hyphen to the LilyPond syntax
> being attached, though I don't see any effect...
>
>
> > (and the marks appeared below the staff). The rest of the time
> > pressing the Advanced button replaced the line of buttons with a
> > single one about editing. It came back if I picked the green tremolo
> > word, but was not obvious.
> ??? not sure if you are in the Object Editor when you pressed Advanced,
> or what the "line of buttons" is, or where a green tremolo word
> appears...??? What was it that you were trying to do?
>
> Richard
>
> > just thought you ought to know
> > Joe
> > On 23/01/2020 09:08, Richard Shann wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2020-01-22 at 17:37 -0500, Peter French wrote:
> > > > Hi
> > > >
> > > > I am using Denemo 2.2.0 on a Windows 7 pro box.
> > > >
> > > > I need to note what I would call al Tremolo for Piano.
> > > >
> > > > Usually I see this as two semi-breve notes on the staff with
> > > > three
> > > > lines
> > > > between them. Not beaming and not joining to either note.
> > > >
> > > > Quite often seen as written for a left hand octave spread and
> > > > rolled
> > > > quickly between the thumb and little finger.
> > > >
> > > > I can find no reference to this type of notation within the
> > > > manual
> > > > whatever.
> > > The manual doesn't have the detailed information about all the
> > > commands
> > > that are present, unfortunately. It *does* however describe the
> > > Command
> > > Center which is the place where you can answer this question. If
> > > you
> > > type Tremolo into the Command Center search box you will find
> > > several
> > > commands to do with the various sorts of tremolo notation. (Use the
> > > ->
> > > button to search onward for further commands after you have the
> > > first
> > > one).
> > > > your assistance will be appreciated as I cannot finish the score
> > > > I
> > > > am
> > > > working on without.
> > > >
> > > > Is there a way to line up a verse with the correct notes after
> > > > playing a
> > > > piano introduction?
> > > Yes. I think what you need to do is select the introduction (the
> > > notes
> > > show with a yellow background) and then choose the command
> > > Lyrics->Skip Lyrics in Selection
> > > - this will insert the needed "skips".
> > > > For instance if I have a three bar introduction before the vocal
> > > > starts,
> > > > can I do this without forcing the alignment with the use of
> > > > spaces
> > > > and
> > > > hyphens?
> > > The above command uses neater LilyPond syntax to do the skipping
> > > e.g.
> > >
> > > \repeat unfold 4 \skip 1
> > >
> > > is the LilyPond syntax it inserts into the lyrics to skip four
> > > syllables.
> > >
> > > > Also how do I write for a second voice in the same verse, for
> > > > instance echoing phrases from the first voice in parts of the
> > > > work?
> > > I'm not at all sure I understand this question - are you talking
> > > about
> > > lyrics here or notes (the second case might be keyboard polyphony -
> > > using several voices on one staff)?
> > >
> > > > Last question for the moment, I have a trill which I want to
> > > > extend
> > > > for
> > > > a second note, like a crotchet and quaver combination not tied.
> > > >
> > > > Using the trill on the menu's that I have found it only covers
> > > > the
> > > > first
> > > > note, is there a way to extend it over the two notes?
> > > yes, again the Command Center search puts you on the Start Trill
> > > and
> > > Stop Trill commands after the three other trill commands.
> > >
> > > Command: Start Trill
> > > Starts a spanning trill from the note at the cursor.
> > > Location: Object Menu ▶ Directives ▶ Markings ▶ Spanning
> > > Internal Name: StartTrillSpan
> > >
> > > > I did previously write to Richard Shann and though he answered me
> > > > he
> > > > advised using the forum
> > > I think you may have misunderstood - I will have meant to point you
> > > to
> > > this mailing list, which thankfully you have found - if you
> > > subscribe
> > > to the list (see Community page on denemo.org) you will be able to
> > > send
> > > emails without them being delayed for moderation and see any other
> > > questions that people may ask.
> > >
> > > Best wishes,
> > >
> > > Richard Shann

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