Re: Tremolo

[Richard Shann]

On Thu, 2020-01-23 at 09:55 +0000, Joe Wilkinson wrote:
> Hi Richard,
> I looked at Tremolo as I have used it with Mandolin music. I thought
> it might be possible to 
>  drag the tremolo symbol to where Peter wanted it.

I think the command 

Command: Two Note (or Chord) Tremolo
Takes the selected two notes or chords and repeats them to make up the duration 
of a longer note. This will then be typeset using the tremolo notation (beaming 
placed between notes), while the Denemo Display will show and sound the 
repetitions.
Location: Object Menu ▶ Notes/Rests
Internal Name: TwoNoteTremolo

already does place the tremolo mark where Peter described. I've just
had a try and it does seem to work:

Insert two semiquavers (1/16th) notes.
Select them leaving the cursor inside the selection.
Invoke the command and give 8 as the number of times to sound the notes
The result is that Denemo fills bar in the display with a further 14
semiquavers so that the playback sound is right and the typeset shows
two semibreves (whole notes) with double beam between as Peter
described.

>  Have you changed the Drag item (in the Typeset Window) command to
> make it more user friendly. I found it cumbersome (not using split
> screen I had to close the edit window to avoid getting confused) and
> couldn't get it to work!

The double beam created by the above command is not something that
could be dragged in the Print View - dragging is only possible for
objects that appear in the Denemo Display as Denemo Directives - either
standalone or attached to a note/chord.

> 2. edit the tremolo object

Are you thinking of a tremolo marking on a single note here? I see that
it does not behave properly when you try to move it :(, it has its own
edit procedure that doesn't include moving the position of the symbol -
you would have to delve into the LilyPond syntax to try and do that, my
guess is that it would be quite arcane.

>  in the edit window. On one occasion I got into the Advanced setting
> and tried to make it negative 
??? I think you may mean that you added a hyphen to the LilyPond syntax
being attached, though I don't see any effect...


> (and the marks appeared below the staff). The rest of the time
> pressing the Advanced button replaced the line of buttons with a
> single one about editing. It came back if I picked the green tremolo
> word, but was not obvious. 
??? not sure if you are in the Object Editor when you pressed Advanced,
or what the "line of buttons" is, or where a green tremolo word
appears...??? What was it that you were trying to do?

Richard

> just thought you ought to know
> Joe
> On 23/01/2020 09:08, Richard Shann wrote:
> > On Wed, 2020-01-22 at 17:37 -0500, Peter French wrote:
> > > Hi
> > > 
> > > I am using Denemo 2.2.0 on a Windows 7 pro box.
> > > 
> > > I need to note what I would call al Tremolo for Piano.
> > > 
> > > Usually I see this as two semi-breve notes on the staff with
> > > three
> > > lines 
> > > between them. Not beaming and not joining to either note.
> > > 
> > > Quite often seen as written for a left hand octave spread and
> > > rolled 
> > > quickly between the thumb and little finger.
> > > 
> > > I can find no reference to this type of notation within the
> > > manual
> > > whatever.
> > 
> > The manual doesn't have the detailed information about all the
> > commands
> > that are present, unfortunately. It *does* however describe the
> > Command
> > Center which is the place where you can answer this question. If
> > you
> > type Tremolo into the Command Center search box you will find
> > several
> > commands to do with the various sorts of tremolo notation. (Use the
> > ->
> > button to search onward for further commands after you have the
> > first
> > one).
> > > your assistance will be appreciated as I cannot finish the score
> > > I
> > > am 
> > > working on without.
> > > 
> > > Is there a way to line up a verse with the correct notes after
> > > playing a 
> > > piano introduction?
> > 
> > Yes. I think what you need to do is select the introduction (the
> > notes
> > show with a yellow background) and then choose the command 
> > Lyrics->Skip Lyrics in Selection
> > - this will insert the needed "skips". 
> > > For instance if I have a three bar introduction before the vocal
> > > starts, 
> > > can I do this without forcing the alignment with the use of
> > > spaces
> > > and 
> > > hyphens? 
> > 
> > The above command uses neater LilyPond syntax to do the skipping
> > e.g.
> > 
> > \repeat unfold 4 \skip 1
> > 
> > is the LilyPond syntax it inserts into the lyrics to skip four
> > syllables.
> > 
> > > Also how do I write for a second voice in the same verse, for 
> > > instance echoing phrases from the first voice in parts of the
> > > work?
> > 
> > I'm not at all sure I understand this question - are you talking
> > about
> > lyrics here or notes (the second case might be keyboard polyphony -
> > using several voices on one staff)?
> > 
> > > Last question for the moment, I have a trill which I want to
> > > extend
> > > for 
> > > a second note, like a crotchet and quaver combination not tied.
> > > 
> > > Using the trill on the menu's that I have found it only covers
> > > the
> > > first 
> > > note, is there a way to extend it over the two notes?
> > 
> > yes, again the Command Center search puts you on the Start Trill
> > and
> > Stop Trill commands after the three other trill commands.
> > 
> > Command: Start Trill
> > Starts a spanning trill from the note at the cursor.
> > Location: Object Menu ▶ Directives ▶ Markings ▶ Spanning
> > Internal Name: StartTrillSpan
> > 
> > > I did previously write to Richard Shann and though he answered me
> > > he 
> > > advised using the forum
> > 
> > I think you may have misunderstood - I will have meant to point you
> > to
> > this mailing list, which thankfully you have found - if you
> > subscribe
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> > send
> > emails without them being delayed for moderation and see any other
> > questions that people may ask.
> > 
> > Best wishes,
> > 
> > Richard Shann
> > 
> >