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Re: [ft] Bytecode enabled rendering


From: Anton Danilov
Subject: Re: [ft] Bytecode enabled rendering
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2005 15:53:23 +0300
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I am not speaking about anti-aliased rendering in any way and I completely agree on your position about it. That all is quite reasonable.

What I do speak about is incorrect rendering of non-anti-aliased text. Is this case closed as well and there is no hope Tahoma, Times New Roman and friends will look better when rendered with Free Type?

Anton

Turner, David wrote:
I've already spoken about this in a previous e-mail.

Microsoft holds a large number of patents covering specific
parts of the ClearType technology, see the bottom of this
page for a non-exhaustive list:

  http://www.microsoft.com/mscorp/ip/tech/cleartype.asp

For the moment, we're not going to implement Microsoft's
rendering techniques (which are also documented in a document
named "Avalon Text", that you'll find with a search engine).

Don't expect to have identical rendering in the case of
anti-aliased text with FreeType on Linux.

We could implement it, just like bytecode interpretation,
by disabling it by default in the sources. But very frankly,
I don't care enough about this to spend my time on it.

If you happen to take the time to provide patches to FreeType
and/or libXft to support that, we may even *not* be interested
in integrating them to the official FreeType sources.

You could still distribute a patch however, that distributions
could pick if they want to.

Case closed.

- David Turner
- The FreeType Project  (www.freetype.org)





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Thanks for the answer, Werner!

I see your point. But what really makes this situation strange and
unnatural is that Windows makes "undocumented and
unpredictable" things
which produce well-documented and predictable results, am I not right?

It's clear that these fonts were designed by Monotype to look
exactly as
they look under Windows.

You're speaking about the patch for "these two symbols". I have got
problems with several symbols on Tahoma 8 pt, some other symbols on
Tahoma 10 pt, Times New Roman 14 pt.

Maybe, there is some way to fix these symbols on my own if you do not
plan to create this patch soon?

Anton

Werner LEMBERG wrote:

I am experiencing problems with aliasing-disabled rendering, and if
you look at Kaya's screenshot (my system, and any other will
probably do, shows just the same behaviour)

http://kayalabs.com/images/tahoma.png

you will see the difference in rendering Tahoma's 8 and v -- in
freetype's version you have just one more pixel and it's really
disturbing and annoying.


This has been discussed at great length on the freetype-devel list,
IIRC.  The `correct' rendering result of Tahoma on Windows

is tightly

bound to anomalies in the Windows rendering engine which internally
rounds certain values differently, namely in an undocumented and
unpredictable way.  With other words, Windows is `wrong'.

The correct

solution is to fix the bytecode instructions for those two

characters

-- this breaks the digital signature, but FreeType ignores

it anyway.

A longer time ago I announced to provide a patch, but

unfortunately I

haven't found enough time yet to do that.


   Werner

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