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bug#65344: 28.2; Unable to Edebug cl-flet form which uses argument destr
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Michael Heerdegen |
Subject: |
bug#65344: 28.2; Unable to Edebug cl-flet form which uses argument destructuring |
Date: |
Fri, 25 Aug 2023 06:07:47 +0200 |
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Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) |
Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com> writes:
> If something is somewhat like a CL construct,
> but it is intentionally different in some way
> (and not just because we've implemented only
> partial support for it), then why use the
> prefix `cl-' for it? Why not use the prefix
> `el-' or whatever?
That would be much more confusing IMO. `cl-flet' is not just "somewhat
like a CL construct". "cl inspired" would be a bad description. The
manual clearly describes the limits of the "emulation", and, as I said,
even more limiting incompatibilities do not stem from such extensions.
> Nothing says that Elisp needs to have the
> same things as CL. But why call something
> different "CL support" or "CL emulation", and
> use the same prefix, `cl-', that we use for
> things that are really intended to emulate
> CL constructs?
The library is somewhere between an "CL emulation" and a "CL inspired
extension library". It is hard to find a really good name and
description.
> It's like we have no guideline or map now.
Naming being hard or not satisfactory doesn't imply anything. I doesn't
tell what we must do. It just means it is hard to find a "perfect for
everybody" name. That naming something is hard might mean that there is
a problem with that thing, or it might mean nothing.
> To what avail? There's no shortage of
> prefixes and nothing forcing things with
> different purposes or natures to be in the
> same file.
Changing this prefix would cause work and trouble. If you think it is
worth it - what's your suggestion? "el-" is much worse. What in `flet'
is more "Emacs Lisp"y than in `let'? Everything in Emacs Lisp is Emacs
Lisp. The "Emacs Lisp" version of `flet'? Of which `flet'? Ahh - of
the Common Lisp `flet' - but it's only 99.9% compatible, so we don't
call it "cl-".
This line of argument is not convincing me. If a user has looked at the
documentation (one has to anyway to get a start), the "cl-" is also
hardly a source of confusion. So I still don't see a relevant problem.
Michael.
- bug#65344: 28.2; Unable to Edebug cl-flet form which uses argument destructuring, (continued)
- bug#65344: 28.2; Unable to Edebug cl-flet form which uses argument destructuring, Michael Heerdegen, 2023/08/22
- bug#65344: 28.2; Unable to Edebug cl-flet form which uses argument destructuring, Drew Adams, 2023/08/22
- bug#65344: 28.2; Unable to Edebug cl-flet form which uses argument destructuring, Gerd Möllmann, 2023/08/23
- bug#65344: 28.2; Unable to Edebug cl-flet form which uses argument destructuring, Drew Adams, 2023/08/23
- bug#65344: 28.2; Unable to Edebug cl-flet form which uses argument destructuring, Michael Heerdegen, 2023/08/23
- bug#65344: 28.2; Unable to Edebug cl-flet form which uses argument destructuring, Gerd Möllmann, 2023/08/24
- bug#65344: 28.2; Unable to Edebug cl-flet form which uses argument destructuring, Michael Heerdegen, 2023/08/24
- bug#65344: 28.2; Unable to Edebug cl-flet form which uses argument destructuring, Drew Adams, 2023/08/24
- bug#65344: 28.2; Unable to Edebug cl-flet form which uses argument destructuring,
Michael Heerdegen <=
- bug#65344: 28.2; Unable to Edebug cl-flet form which uses argument destructuring, Drew Adams, 2023/08/25
- bug#65344: 28.2; Unable to Edebug cl-flet form which uses argument destructuring, Michael Heerdegen, 2023/08/25
- bug#65344: 28.2; Unable to Edebug cl-flet form which uses argument destructuring, Drew Adams, 2023/08/25
- bug#65344: 28.2; Unable to Edebug cl-flet form which uses argument destructuring, Michael Heerdegen, 2023/08/20
- bug#65344: 28.2; Unable to Edebug cl-flet form which uses argument destructuring, Gerd Möllmann, 2023/08/20
bug#65344: 28.2; Unable to Edebug cl-flet form which uses argument destructuring, Mattias Engdegård, 2023/08/23