Re: [Qemu-ppc] [PATCH v3 3/4] target-ppc: ppc can be either endian

[Alexander Graf]

On 05/07/2014 02:40 PM, Greg Kurz wrote:
> On Wed, 07 May 2014 13:54:36 +0200
> Alexander Graf <address@hidden> wrote:
> > On 05/07/2014 12:19 PM, Greg Kurz wrote:
> > > On Wed, 7 May 2014 11:41:10 +0200
> > > Alexander Graf <address@hidden> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > Am 07.05.2014 um 11:26 schrieb Peter Maydell <address@hidden>:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On 7 May 2014 10:09, Alexander Graf <address@hidden> wrote:
> > > > > > I don't think we should overengineer hacks for legacy virtio.
> > > > > Agreed. So what's our final conclusion: virtio endianness
> > > > > is the endianness of the guest kernel at the point where
> > > > > it triggers a reset of the virtio device, yes?
> > > > I just realized we're talking about virtio in a non-virtio thread. This patch 
> > > > set is about core dump support which is different from virtio bi-endian 
> > > > support. While both may end up at the same logic, I don't like the idea to mix 
> > > > them. This function is PPC internal.
> > > >
> > > > Alex
> > > Correct and now I have this feeling about using LPCR_ILE versus MSR_LE...
> > >
> > > LPCR_ILE reflects the interrupt vector endianness. It is set during early boot
> > > by the guest kernel according to the desired endianness. MSR_LE gives the
> > > current endian mode for the cpu.
> > >
> > > The idea is that you need to rely on LPCR_ILE when you peek from the host
> > > because you lack context and MSR_LE may be have been temporarily changed.
> > > This is clearly the case for dump support.
> > >
> > > Now when it comes to virtio, we cache the endianness at device reset time: 
> > > MSR_LE from
> > > current_cpu should reflect the guest kernel endianness, no ?
> > >
> > > In this case we could end up like what's being currently discussed with ARM:
> > >
> > > http://www.spinics.net/lists/kvm-arm/msg09099.html
> > > http://www.spinics.net/lists/kvm-arm/msg09091.html
> > >
> > > Alex,
> > >
> > > If we agree that current_cpu->MSR_LE does the job when the guest kernel resets
> > > the device, then I guess we don't even need this patch...
> > Either one works for me as long as we put it into a spec. No solution
> > will be able to fulfill all cases.
> >
> > The uglyness about the current_cpu bit is that devices are usually not
> > supposed to know about the cpu accesses come from usually. But then
> > again devices shouldn't know about the endianness of a cpu either so I
> > guess it's ok to breach layers here.
> >
> > Rusty, do you have strong feelings either way?
> >
> >
> > Alex
> Coming back to the initial subject. What about changing the last sentence
> in the commit message to the following ?
>
> "And when it comes to dumping a guest, the information is needed to write
>   ELF headers using the kernel endianness."
>
> This would make the patch a PPC64 dump only business and end the debate. :)
>
> Tell me if you want me to repost.

Let's wait for Tom's ack first - or if you can show me that you fully 
grasped that we're doing the "right thing" in all host/guest big/little 
combinations with AVX registers I'm happy too :)


Alex