Re: [Paparazzi-devel] Lisa PCB pool

[Eric Parsonage]

Why not do it as a kick-starter project?


On 24/01/2012, at 11:19 PM, Chris Gough wrote:

>> But if you have ideas how we can improve the access to Lisa/L earlier then 
>> our current schedule, please feel free to share them.
> 
> If we can pool PCBs, why couldn't we pool fully assembled autopilots?
> It's a bit more complicated, but imagine if you will...
> 
> Phase 1 - expressions of interest.
> A swarm "opens" for a few weeks. During this time, people can sign-up
> and indicate their interest by nominating the maximum price they would
> be willing to pay (and quantity they want), for estimated delivery in
> say ~3 months. The tester and acceptance criteria are spelled out too
> (re: phase 5), along with the other important details.
> 
> Phase 2 - competitive tender.
> At the cut-off date, the swarm "closes" for new members, and the
> expressions of interest are aggregated into a request for quote (with
> a few sensible quantities, e.g. 50%, 75% and 100% of the sum of
> indicated quantities?). These are sent to various manufacturers, and
> everyone in the swarm can see their responses. Anyone in the swarm can
> identify potential manufacturers from whom quotes are requested, the
> whole thing is transparent and open (to swarm members, not necessarily
> public domain).
> 
> Phase 3 - commitment/escrow.
> If there is at least one satisfactory quote, the best one is chosen
> (by ballot?), and swarm members have the option to buy-in. They do
> this by putting the money into escrow with a 3rd party (who? details
> specified in phase 1). If not enough people commit before a certain
> date the whole thing folds, and the escrow party issues refunds (less
> presumably small fee for escrow service).
> 
> Phase 4 - purchase.
> Assuming the swarm raised sufficient capital, a work order is placed
> with the factory that provided the best quote. They make the stuff and
> send it to the guy in phase 5. It might be necessary to pay a deposit,
> but as much of the money as possible stays in escrow until acceptance
> testing. This is something the manufacturer agreed to when they sent
> the quote.
> 
> Phase 5 - receiving.
> Someone trusted by the swarm (and nominated in phase 1) receives the
> goods and tests them. If the tests pass, the manufacturer is paid in
> full and the process goes on to step 6. If there are issues, then a
> discussion/vote decides what to do, it's possible that the
> unacceptable goods are returned to the factory and the swarm folds
> with partial refund. There is a fair and reasonable payment for this
> acceptance testing work (regardless of the outcome), also nominated up
> front when the swarm was open.
> 
> Phase 6 - disbursement.
> Assuming the goods are accepted, the stuff get's packed and sent (by
> the guy in phase 5). The end.
> 
> I think collaboratively procured open source hardware is the way of
> the future <twitch> the way of the future. I actually don't need any
> Lisa/L myself right now, but I'd buy some just to see it in action.
> 
> Chris Gough
> 
>> Cheers Esden
>> 
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>> 
>> On Jan 24, 2012, at 12:17 AM, Jochen Rieger wrote:
>> 
>>> In the end of february, do you know Lisa/L is also available in the 
>>> quadshot shop?
>>> 
>>> Best regards.
>>> Jochen
>>> 
>>> 2012/1/23 Piotr Esden-Tempski <address@hidden>
>>> Heya!
>>> 
>>> Which lisa boards are you planning to pool? We already produced the Lisa/M 
>>> 2.0 boards. We are currently sourcing the parts. If you are interested in 
>>> the challenge of assembling the boards yourself we can provide you with 
>>> those instantly. I just did not think anyone wanted to assemble them 
>>> themselves. :)
>>> 
>>> The fully assembled boards should be available in http://thequadshot.com by 
>>> end of February.
>>> 
>>> Cheers Esden
>>> 
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>>> the makers of the Quadshot
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>>> 
>>> On Jan 23, 2012, at 6:15 AM, Tilman Baumann wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 23/01/12 14:12, Eric BAHIER wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have make of  run Lisa board in PCBpool, I will solder it probably thus 
>>>>> week.
>>>>> I will let to know the progress.
>>>> 
>>>> Awesome. Count me in as interested if you have one too much.
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers
>>>> Tilman
>>>> 
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