Re: Musicology with Lilypond (and now correct attachments ;-)

[Karsten Reincke]

Dear Urs;

Many thanks for this quick and exhaustive answer! Let me briefly
answer:

1) As long as lilypond-book has to be called at first and replaces the
lilypond code in the LaTeX files by a section including the
corresponding picture, none LaTeX code can be combined with the
Lilypond code. And hence, the LaTeX package harmony cannot be used.

2) But there is no need to break up this handling! I followed your
first proposal and read the respective email thread. From the viewpoint
of the expresivity, http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=967 (mentioned
in the first solution) is exactly what I've looked for (and did not
find). Unfortunately, the code is not a 'library'. S, the task seems to
be to modify this version.

BUT THERE IS A LICENSE QUESTION (very important in the area of free
software!) The example shown if you click on the graphik of 
http://lsr.di.unimi.it/LSR/Item?id=967 does not contain any license
information. Does anyone know the author? Does any (provable) know,
whether I may adopt this solution into 'my' library? (Its results are
much better then mine!)

3) The next question is indeed, whether this result shall be integrated
or is already integrated into the openlilylib. I will check this before
I do the next step.

with best regards Karsten


On Sun, 2019-10-27 at 22:39 +0000, Urs Liska wrote:
> Oops, forgot to CC the list. 
> 
> But one more remark: You may have a look at the thread starting with 
> https://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2019-04/msg00335.html and 
> there especially the ZIP archive attached to
> https://lists.gnu.o
> rg/archive/html/lilypond-user/2019-04/msg00351.html which gives two
> really beautiful LilyPond renderings.
> 
> Urs
> 
> 27. Oktober 2019 21:48, "Urs Liska" <address@hidden> schrieb:
> 
> > Hi Karsten,
> > 
> > I will have a closer look into this ASAP.
> > But in the meantime it may be rewarding for you to have a look at
> > the http://ctan.org/pkg/lyluatex
> > package.
> > 
> > In addition I would encourage you to consider integrating your
> > efforts with
> > https://github.com/openlilylib/analysis where we even have a stub
> > for a harmony module.
> > One caveat though: a "perfect" tool for musicologists will have to
> > support not only one style of
> > analysis symbols.
> > Regarding musicological use cases you might want to also have a
> > look at
> > https://github.com/openlilylib/scholarly, 
> > https://github.com/uliska/lyluatexmp and
> > https://github.com/uliska/lycritrprt (although the last two are
> > pretty preliminary). Maybe also
> > https://github.com/uliska/lilyglyphs
> > 
> > Best
> > Urs
> > 
> > Am 27. Oktober 2019 17:31:28 MEZ schrieb Karsten Reincke <
> > address@hidden>:
> > 
> > > Dear Friends;
> > > 
> > > Musicologists need more than writing pure music scores. They must
> > > be
> > > able to embed the score of music samples into their scientific
> > > texts.
> > > And they must be able to integrate the symbols of the functional
> > > harmony theory into the score of their music samples.
> > > 
> > > For using Lilypond with LaTeX there exists a well established
> > > method to
> > > embed the scores into the texts: lilypond-book. But there does
> > > not
> > > exist a good, sufficient and appropriate method to integrate the
> > > analysis symbols into the scores. (Unfortunately, you cannot
> > > combine
> > > the LaTeX and the Lilypond techniques, because lilypond-book
> > > finally
> > > embeds a picture into the LaTeX code).
> > > 
> > > Howsoever, the needs of a LaTeX loving musicologists can
> > > completely be
> > > fulfilled by using LaTex + MusixTeX + harmony (a LaTeX package).
> > > (see
> > > attached file cadenca2-by-musixtex-harmony.png) But in this case,
> > > the
> > > musicologist must unfortunately deal with the awkward syntax of
> > > MusixTeX which he probably does not want.
> > > 
> > > Hence we have a problem: either we use Lilypond (and cannot
> > > express,
> > > what we have to do) or we use MusixTex (and reduce our
> > > productivity).
> > > 
> > > For solving this challenge, I started to develop a GUILE based
> > > Lilypond
> > > library named 'harmonyli' which follows the idea(s) of the LaTeX
> > > package harmony. I published it under the MIT license in a github
> > > repository [ https://github.com/kreincke/harmonyli ]. (If you
> > > feel,
> > > that another license would better fit the needs and habits of the
> > > Lilypond community, feel free to make respective proposals). This
> > > repository contains the lib and an example (including a
> > > Makefile). This
> > > example is the Lilypond code of the MusixTex-eample above (see
> > > attached
> > > file cadenca2-by-lilypond-harmonyli.png)
> > > 
> > > As you can see, the lilypond result is still a bit ugly,
> > > especially if
> > > you compare it with the MusixTeX solution. Hence, I need your
> > > help for
> > > improving the lib 'harmonyli':
> > > 
> > > a) How can we place the number under the main functional symbols
> > > (T, D,
> > > S, Tp, Sp Dp, Tg, Sg, etc) [ this number indicates which tone is
> > > played
> > > by th bass ] exactly in the middle of the functional harmony
> > > symbols?
> > > 
> > > b) how can we place the stack of numbers right aside of the main
> > > symbol
> > > as a superscriptblock really near by the symbol and without
> > > losing the
> > > feature, that each number of the stack can contain more than only
> > > one
> > > number (for enabling us to express grace notes like D4>3)?
> > > 
> > > c) How can we align the symbols in a better way - just as it is
> > > done by
> > > the orginal LaTeX lib harmony?
> > > 
> > > d) how can we enforce that the next note is printed into the
> > > staff if
> > > and when the analysis symbol of the note before is completely
> > > printed?
> > > 
> > > e) How can we enforce that all analysis symbols are printed in
> > > row with
> > > suffcient space between them to understand them correctly?
> > > 
> > > f) How can cross out the main harmony symbols for indicating that
> > > the
> > > base tone is missed (=not played)? Do we need additional symbols
> > > in a
> > > extra font or is there a technique to strike out any text?
> > > 
> > > g) How can we condense / refactor the code so, that we do not
> > > have to
> > > write the same code twice or more.
> > > 
> > > If you need to see the existing code, have a look at 
> > > https://github.com/kreincke/harmonyli/blob/master/inc.harmonyli.ly .
> > > I
> > > appreciate any help you can give. I want to develop a perfect
> > > tool for
> > > musicologists - simply because I need it for a larger work of
> > > myself ;-
> > > )
> > > 
> > > How can you help me? Feel free
> > > a) to comment this mail
> > > b) to clone the rep, integrate your improvements and resend a
> > > pull
> > > request
> > > c) become an official developer by sending me your github account
> > > 
> > > So: many thanks for your support beforehand, I am looking forward
> > > to
> > > your proposals.
> > > 
> > > heartfully your Karsten
> > 
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