Re: absolute & relative together

[Reinhold Kainhofer]

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Am Dienstag, 11. März 2008 schrieb David Bobroff:
> Reinhold Kainhofer wrote:
> > If you could describe in a little more detail what you are trying to do
> > (i.e. what are your cue voices, clefs, transposing instruments, etc.), we
> > might be better able to help you come up with the proper solution...
>
> Well, specifically, I'm preparing a transposed, or rather de-transposed,
>   tenor tuba part for "Don Quixote" of R. Strauss.  The original part is
> in bass clef but in a Bb transposition.  I'm keeping it in bass clef but
> transposing it down a step.

By transposing, do you mean transposing the concert pitch so that instead of a 
bes and as should sound? Or do you just want to transpose the written pitch 
(i.e. to as transposition), leaving the concert pitch the same? 
In the latter case, \transposition and a subsequent \transpose is really what 
you are looking for.
In the first case, shouldn't also all other instruments (and thus also the cue 
notes) be transposed, because otherwise they would not sound well together...

> This is no problem.  Furthermore, I'm 
> including all the original cues at their original notated pitches.  All
> the cues are in a separate definition block.  

Excuse me, but I don't really understand this. Aren't cue notes in scores for 
transposing instruments also properly transposed? E.g. if you have a score 
for an instrument in bes (so what looks like a c is actually a bes) and the 
cue instrument plays a (real) c, where will this note be shown in the score 
for the Bb instrument? Between the third and fourth line (thus looking like a 
bes), or on the fourth line?

You might also take a look at the recent thread:
http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/lilypond-user/2008-03/msg00073.html

In my example there, the first line is e.g. violin 1 and plays real c's. The 
second line is a transposing instrument in f, also playing c's. In the third 
measure, there is a cue note from the violin (a c''). Where do you want this 
note to be displayed? Like in the PDF (i,e, at the same staff position as in 
the violin score, thus looking like an f to the player of the transposing 
instrument) or at the same pitch as the other c''s for the transposing 
instrument?

> I ran into a problem when 
> I decided it would be interesting to also create a Bb Treble clef
> notated version while at the same time retaining all the original cues
> at their original pitches and clefs.

Doesn't this also include some key changes to make up for the tranposition?
(BTW, are you talking about concert or written pitch?)

Sorry for my ignorance, but I only recently learned about transposing 
instruments, when I wrote a score for Corni. There, I printed all cue notes 
also transposed, so that the same sounding note in the cue instrument and the 
corno score look exactly at the same position.
In particular, in my score 
http://www.fam.tuwien.ac.at/~reinhold/temp/Schubert_StabatMater_D383_CorII.pdf 
in measure 56 of "Nr.9 Chor" (middle of the second page), the Fag./Tr.3 are 
actually notated in bass clef in their scores and play b - a - gis - fis (but 
since the score is in e, the cue notes are displayed as g - f - e - d, which 
in concert pitch is the correct b-a-gis-fis). Am I wrong here?

Cheers,
Reinhold

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