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Re: Introducing a new project for teenagers in free software (and how yo


From: Paul Sutton
Subject: Re: Introducing a new project for teenagers in free software (and how you can help!)
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 2024 14:42:10 +0000


On 06/12/2024 09:57, Jean Louis wrote:
On December 5, 2024 11:12:09 AM GMT+03:00, Paul Sutton via libreplanet-discuss 
<libreplanet-discuss@libreplanet.org> wrote:
Hi All

I agree on starting people young,  perhaps one way in to this is to open up 
discussions.   Young people (and others) want to be involved.

Lets take integration of AI in to everything,  the fact this is being forced on 
us, regardless of if we actually want it,  should be open to discussion,  free 
software gives us that choice,  we can fork a project to include or exclude AI 
Components for example,  but we need the freedom to do so.

Also we could aim this project at different faculties a lot of subjects do now 
include programming as we can use code to help automate work,  BUT we need to 
trust all the tools not just what they are doing, but they are also secure 
against external threats to steal what we are working on.

Take cloud strike as an example of what happens when we rely on a 3rd party and 
closed source to do things for us, 99 percent of the time it works.   All very 
well, what is the alternative,  I get told to avoid cloudflare (or what ever it 
is called) but don't get told what I can use instead.

Projects need to be student led,  many have external interests and we can help 
them develop solutions that are practical  but personal to them.   If there are 
several students involved in the same external interest,  then they can form a 
team and take ownership.

Students get told what to do at school,  external clubs to a point need to be 
about them.

Just some thoughts.

Paul

On 04/12/2024 16:23, Aaron E-J wrote:
     I have thought that the idea of working on open source projects as
     learning tools would be a great win-win-win opportunity to advance
     education.  I am coming in the context of the college level, but I
     think we need to start students down the path towards free software as
     early as possible.  The name for the project I was thinking of is
     called "World Piece" or "World Pieces" and it is a play on the notion
     of breaking learning goals into code tasks.  Basically how I was
     thinking this would work is, given a topic to be learnt, there is some
     auto-curation of open source git repositories with open tasks to be
     completed.  Although there are definitely issues with GitHub, privacy,
     and consuming open source technologies for closed source gain, I was
     just looking at some of the learning materials on GitHub and I think
     there may be funding or technical support available from Microsoft to
     create such a project.  Obviously we need to make sure that the
     objective is learning code, not learning to use GitHub, and promoting
     open source software, not maximizing profit to the determent of
     society.  However, I think the general concept of integrating open
     project issues into learning tasks is a far more efficacious means of
     teaching than having students work on meaningless one-off homework that
     has no larger purpose.  There could even be the chance to get industry
     funding for students to earn money based on completion of sponsored
     tasks, although again, we need to be careful to not turn this into an
     exploitative means of getting cheap labor.

     I am connected to both the education and engineering departments at
     UMass in Massachusetts, USA and will put feelers out for potential
     collaborators.  Do you have a website/other documents with more info on
     the framework?  Do you think my idea and yours can be melded into some
     sort of larger plan?
Aaron E-J
The Other Realm
[1]http://otherrealm.org
[2]http://theotherrealm.org (Blog)

     On 11/29/2024 11:41 PM, carmenmaris--- via libreplanet-discuss wrote:


Hi everyone!

I've been working on something really exciting I want to share with
you all.

For the past several months I've been working on a project whose aim is to bring
teenagers into the free software movement, help them develop their
skills and give them a fun and supportive community that will sustain
their interest.

My project is currently unnamed[1]. The idea for it was inspired by my
own memories of discovering free software at age 13. This is the kind
of thing I would have loved to participate in as a teenager. I
hope that's also true for today's teens.

This is an ambitious project and I'm in it for the long-term. I'd like
to start fairly small. In the first year, I'll be focussing on:

* Introducing teenagers to free software.

    I'll be making plenty of age-appropriate materials telling people
    about free software and working with other youth organisations to
    distribute them to their members.

* Creating a community for teenagers interested in free
    software.

    I will run an online community with structured discussions and
    online events. I'm also planning on running some biweekly free
    software clubs using videoconferencing software. The online
    communities will be safe places for young people to learn new skills
    and share what they know with others.

* Publishing a small online magazine once a month.

    The articles will be things like answers to questions, stories on free
    software issues relevant to teenagers, inspiration for college and
    careers in technology, programming tutorials, interviews with people
    in the community and stories celebrating young people's successes.

* Helping teenagers fight back against non-free software in their
    lives.

    What I do here really depends on the needs of the young people that
    join us. I want to work with them to find goals they can achieve
    with some support. Based on what I know about how things are in my
    local community, I would be looking at finding ways to help
    teenagers win the right to choose free software at school and get
    their friends to adopt free software social media and messaging
    apps.

This project isn't just for teenagers that are interested in
programming. I have lots planned for everyone.

[1] I came up with a name ('LaunchLibre') many months ago.  Despite
searching trademark registers and the internet, I somehow hadn't heard about
LaunchCode until this morning. Obviously, I'll be choosing another
name as soon as I can. Suggestions are very welcome.

Where I'm at now
----------------

I've done substantial research and made detailed plans for what
my project will do, how it'll be funded and how I hope it will grow
into the future. I've been experimenting in my local community with
distributing materials, speaking to community groups and working on
setting up a free software club for teenagers. I've learnt a lot about
what will work and what won't.

The plan for the next few months is to apply for a small business
grant and incorporate.

How you can help me
-------------------

I need members to found an incorporated society.

The law here in New Zealand says I need 10, but it's best if I have
around 20. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to find enough people in
this country to get even remotely close to those numbers.

If you might be interested in becoming one of the society's members,
please message me off-list. There will only be an occasional time
commitment. Your participation is vital for making this a
reality and I'll be very thankful for your help. You can become a
member of the society even if you live outside of New Zealand.

I'm always appreciative of comments and advice.  You can also help me by
   sharing this information with other people you think might be interested.

If you're 13-18 and haven't graduated from secondary school yet, I'd
love to talk to you. This project is for you, and your thoughts mean a
lot to me!

Questions and updates
---------------------

I'm always happy to answer questions. I've thought long and hard about
everything to do with this project and I'm excited to share!

If you'd like updates on my progress, I'll be putting
together a mailing list. Please message me if you're interested.

If you're in Auckland, I'd love to meet you! I'll have a table at
the Christmas festival at Coast Plaza on December 8. I'll be there
from around 10 am to 3 pm with a break for lunch. If you can't make
it, you can message me and I'm sure we can arrange something else.

- Carmen





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References

     1. http://otherrealm.org/
     2. http://theotherrealm.org/
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I don't see how artificial intelligence is being forced upon us. Computers were 
invented to extend our intelligence, and in essence, every computer is already 
a form of artificial intelligence. There is nothing being imposed on anyone. 
You are free to go fishing or spend time in nature. You don’t have to use a 
computer or concern yourself with artificial intelligence if you don’t want to.

Everyone has the freedom to choose how they live and how they feel about 
technology. The invention of electricity didn’t force anyone to use it, just as 
the development of clean water networks in cities doesn’t compel people to use 
clean water—you can choose to use dirty water if you prefer.

Similarly, computers and artificial intelligence are not mandatory aspects of 
life. They are simply developments in society. Participation is entirely 
voluntary; nothing is being forced upon anyone.



Jean

Sorry sent this as a reply to Jean and not to the list.

I was thinking how operating systems such as Windows are implementing features such as co-pilot and recall,  and these are just part of updates to the system,  rather than features a user chooses to install.  AI has great potential if used in the right way to say a tool that analyses data.

Was there not discussion on how AI is writing code based on what is on github,  with or without proper attribution to where it came from, so there are moral and ethical issues here.  The free software community believe we have better ethical model to say closed source models,   I am not suggesting we reject AI,  just think about who controls that particular tool and what their overall Modus Operandi isl which for companies such as Meta etc is to make money, AI and algorithms drive what users see on their feeds for example.

So to open up those discussions may lead to people hopefully writing better tools that respect user freedom more.

Paul

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