Re: "Orgdown", the new name for the syntax of Org-mode

[Christophe Schockaert]

On 2021-11-29 03:33, Michael Ashton wrote:
> > On Nov 28, 2021, at 6:22 PM, Jim Porter <jporterbugs@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 11/28/2021 11:46 AM, Karl Voit wrote:
> > > At this year's EmascsConf, I had a 12 minute video where I explain 
> > > why
> > > we do need a different name for the syntax of Org-mode in contrast to
> > > the Elisp implementation of GNU/Emacs Org-mode.
> > > I would like you to read my rationale and motivate you to use the 
> > > term
> > > "Orgdown" for the syntax and "Orgdown1" for the first (very basic)
> > > level of Orgdown syntax elements.
> >
> > I agree that it's useful to distinguish the files/syntax from the 
> > *mode*, which contains many functions for doing things with those 
> > files.
> >
> > For what it's worth (perhaps not much), I've always referred to the 
> > syntax/file format as simply "Org"; for example, "I put my notes into 
> > an Org file." This is by analogy with most of the other Emacs major 
> > modes for editing files. I write Python in `python-mode', I write C++ 
> > in `c++-mode', I write text files in `text-mode', and so on.
> >
> > Maybe "Org" isn't distinct enough though. People unfamiliar with 
> > Org-Mode might confuse "Org" with "org charts" or some other use of 
> > the word. Still, if we look to other tools that can read the same 
> > files as Org-Mode, they tend to be called things like "Organice", not 
> > "Orgmodeanice". :)
>
> Perhaps orgtext or org-text?
Hi Karl and Org fellows,


I do understand that it has always been a tricky topic, since Org Mode 
and its format are intrinsically linked.

I think what you are bringing is useful, I can feel how a syntax for a 
"standard" Org format subset would be useful (maybe we could keep open a 
way to customize it by exporting Lisp params values as part of a 
document annex, but that's beyond the current status, just to say I 
understand why you bring that :).

I have to say, however, that I am not very enthusiast with the name that 
you came by for this.
At first, because I feel Org format and Markdown are different beasts ; 
eventhough I do use Markdown, I prefer Org alot, so it sounds strange to 
have a reference to Markdown in Org format name.
But, really more because I feel like Org stands on its own, and it does 
not need to help itself as a comparison to Markdown to get its own 
renown, or to explain what it is.

In previous mails, "Org Syntax" and "Org Markup" sounded good to me.
However, I do like "org-text" or "Org Text" a lot, or why not even 
"OrgText", but I favor the first two, which refer to the way we write 
"org-mode" the Emacs Mode and "Org Mode" in documents.

After all, this is exactly what it is about, "Writing text in Org", and 
what it is essentially "text characters arranged according to Org 
format".


Have a good day,

Christophe


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