Re: Changed list indentation behavior: how to revert?

[Detlef Steuer]

> 
> > Am I crazy to say that your last example of unwanted behavior is
> > easier for me to read and understand? (and to me the common 
> > indenting is a hopeless mess?)  
> 
> I think the second becomes horribly hard to read if you have more than
> one line in the body. I use org-mode for writing long prose and having
> all my text indented is pretty annoyming. I’ve tried to ignore and
> work around it for some time now because I assumed it was a bug but
> didn’t have a clear view when it appears.
> 


Just like Arne I thought it to be some kind or quirk in the code that
would self-heal at some point in time.

I'm constantly bitten by that change, but was too lazy to dig for the
cause. But now that I know, I want to add 2c.

If one writes prose it looks much more natural to have

* Healine<Ret>

start editing in column 1 of next row.
(Personally I would prefer to start at row 3, but independent
 of the depth of the heading. Probably there is a setting already?)

C-j is fine and nice, but I *feel* the default should be the other
way round.

I'm in no way emotional about these changes, but as Arne demonstrates
in his example text, org files become less readable when using the new
default. Heavy indenting is not what we are used to see if we have
subheadings in prose. Readability of org on the screen should be very high
in list of usability target. (Most probably it indeed is for the developers!
I'm not assuming you would neglect it!)
Maybe all boils down to a matter of taste, but at least imho Arne's
example shows the problem quite clearly.

For lists or sequences of mostly empty headings this does not matter
as much.

Furthermore: If I understand correctly electric-ident mode is thought to
be a helper for programming major modes. In my opinion org is no (not
only, much more than a) programming mode, so maybe electric ident is not
the optimal default. 

Just one more opinion.
Detlef