Re: [O] Collaborating with TODO lists and clocks.

[Gareth Smith]

Hi Richard,

Thanks for those suggestions - they're definitely helpful. I'll have a
bit more of a think, and if I come up with a "more optimal" idea, I'll
post again.

Cheers,

Gareth.

Richard Lawrence <address@hidden> writes:
> Hi Gareth,
>
> Gareth Smith <address@hidden> writes:
>
>> I hadn't thought of using :tags on a clock table. I still worry if we'll
>> find ourselves in a situation where more than one of us has clocked in
>> some time on the same task.
>
> Yes, I agree this might not be optimal, for that case in particular.
> One nice thing about this use of tags is that you have a representation
> of when more than one person is working on a task, but that makes the
> clock less useful, as it can no longer represent an individual's working
> time without some effort to separate the clocks of the different owners.
>
>> For example, often I clock into a task while I do the work of
>> sub-dividing it into smaller tasks. And often when I'm actively working
>> on a task, I'll create a sub-task of my current-clocked-task on the
>> fly. It seems to me that if I continue with this sort of working
>> practice, and attempt to collaborate with others who work similarly,
>> then we might quickly find that it's not easy to describe a given task
>> (or even subtask) as being "owned" by a single person.
>
> So one problem case is where you "own" a task, but someone else owns one
> of its subtasks, e.g.:
>
> ==========================================
> * Clock tables
> #+BEGIN: clocktable :maxlevel 2 :scope file :tags "+gareth"
> #+CAPTION: Clock summary at [2013-04-29 Mon 18:25]
> | Headline           | Time   |      |
> |--------------------+--------+------|
> | *Total time*       | *3:05* |      |
> |--------------------+--------+------|
> | TODO Task 1        | 3:05   |      |
> | \__ TODO Subtask 1 |        | 1:05 |
> | \__ TODO Subtask 2 |        | 1:00 |
> #+END:
> #+BEGIN: clocktable :maxlevel 2 :scope file :tags "+john"
> #+CAPTION: Clock summary at [2013-04-29 Mon 18:17]
> | Headline           | Time   |      |
> |--------------------+--------+------|
> | *Total time*       | *1:05* |      |
> |--------------------+--------+------|
> | TODO Task 1        | 1:05   |      |
> | \__ TODO Subtask 1 |        | 1:05 |
> #+END:
>
> * TODO Task 1                                                      :gareth:
>   CLOCK: [2013-04-29 Mon 18:15]--[2013-04-29 Mon 19:15] =>  1:00
> ** TODO Subtask 1                                                    :john:
>    CLOCK: [2013-04-29 Mon 18:15]--[2013-04-29 Mon 19:20] =>  1:05
> ** TODO Subtask 2                                                  :gareth:
>    CLOCK: [2013-04-29 Mon 16:16]--[2013-04-29 Mon 17:16] =>  1:00
> ==========================================
>
> Notice that Gareth gets credit for John's time on Subtask 1, because
> Gareth owns Task 1.
>
> You can avoid this particular gotcha in (at least) two ways:
>
> 1) Remove the :gareth: tag on task 1 and move the clock time to subtask
> 2 (more generally, "ownership" tags and clock times should only appear
> at the lowest level of the task tree).  Maybe this makes the most sense,
> but it slows down the worflow a bit and is hard to enforce, etc.
>
> 2) Use a tag filter like "+gareth-john" to build the clock table (more
> generally, the clock table for each person should exclude tags for all
> the others).  This prevents double counting and is easy to enforce, but
> if any tasks have more than one owner, no one will get credit for their
> clock times.
>
>> Again, perhaps my workflow is at fault, and I should be organising
>> myself in a more principled way. And perhaps in practice I'll find that
>> tasks do tend to be owned by just one person anyway. 
>
> Yeah, it's a hard problem with no general solution that I can see.  The
> best thing is just to figure out what constraints you're willing to put
> on your workflow, given what Org allows you to do.
>
> Hope that's helpful!
>
> Best,
> Richard