Re: [O] Some %elements in org-html-postamble-format became too "generous"

[Dieter Wilhelm]

Dieter Wilhelm <address@hidden> writes:

> Nicolas Goaziou <address@hidden> writes:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Dieter Wilhelm <address@hidden> writes:
>>
>>> before 8pre it was better possible to translate the Org/Emacs information 
>>> in the
>>> postamble.  If I'm using
>>>
>>>  ("fr" "<p class=\"author\">Auteur: %a (%e)</p>\n<p class=\"date\">Date
>>>  de la modification: %d </p>\n<p class=\"creator\">Produit par %c
>>>  </p>\n")
>>>
>>> The result looks like:
>>>
>>> Produit par Generated by Org mode 8.0-pre in Emacs 24.3.3
>>>
>>> which also contradicts the documentation string of
>>> org-html-postamble-format...
>>
>> I fixed this. "%c" equals to `org-html-creator-string' (#+CREATOR:)
>> value. You are responsible for the translation.
>
> Thank you, you're very helpful.  
>
> Even though I'm not yet happy with this because the
> org-html-creator-string default:
>
> "Generated by <a href=\"http://orgmode.org\";>Org</a> mode 8.0-pre in <a 
> href=\"http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/\";>Emacs</a> 24.3.3."
>
> is in my opinion too much language dependent!  It requires the user who
> wants to translate the preamble to change 2 places,
> org-html-postamble-format *and* org-html-creator-string.
>
> Why not simply making org-html-creator-string "name oriented", like:
>
> "<a href=\"http://orgmode.org\";>Org</a> mode 8.0-pre / <a 
> href=\"http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/\";>Emacs</a> 24.3.3."
>
> Then one would be done with just translating
> org-html-postamble-format...
>
>>> By the way, I think the creation Time (%T) capability of the postamble
>>> is rather pointless, could you please change it to the modification time
>>> or add something (like %C)? This would save the hassle of putting
>>> everywhere #+DATE: {{{modification-time(%Y-%m-%d)}}} into the files.
>>> One could just change the %d to %C...
>>
>> I added %C.
>
> Thank you. 
>
> Works wonderfully for English, sorry I forgot the more general case.
> The default time string format has a day name included.  Wouldn't it be
> possible for the exporters to look for the language keyword e.g.:
> #+LANGUAGE: fr and set the time string translated accordingly?  I've no
> idea how much work it is but I imagine org asking the OS under some
> locale argument might do...
>
> Or just using a default time string format which is language
> independent, like %Y-%m-%d.

Shouldn't %C not adhere to org-export-date-timestamp-format
which is in fact "%Y-%m-%d"?

--
Sorry for the hassle

        Dieter


>>> Moreover, I think the documentation string is not really precise about
>>> the creation time.  We have on Linux atime, mtime and ctime (Access,
>>> Modification and in effect the inode "Change" time), probably the modern
>>> file systems store additionally the "true Creation" time.
>>
>> This was about the creation time of the /output/, which is, in fact, the
>> time of export. I changed the docstring to make it clear.
>
> Sorry for the confusion, now I understand.
>
> By the way, is it normal that org-html-postamble-format and
> org-html-creator-string are not loaded before an html export is
> triggered?

-- 
Best wishes

H. Dieter Wilhelm
Darmstadt
Germany