Re: [O] Some %elements in org-html-postamble-format became too "generous"

[Dieter Wilhelm]

Nicolas Goaziou <address@hidden> writes:

> Hello,
>
> Dieter Wilhelm <address@hidden> writes:
>
>> before 8pre it was better possible to translate the Org/Emacs information in 
>> the
>> postamble.  If I'm using
>>
>>  ("fr" "<p class=\"author\">Auteur: %a (%e)</p>\n<p class=\"date\">Date
>>  de la modification: %d </p>\n<p class=\"creator\">Produit par %c
>>  </p>\n")
>>
>> The result looks like:
>>
>> Produit par Generated by Org mode 8.0-pre in Emacs 24.3.3
>>
>> which also contradicts the documentation string of
>> org-html-postamble-format...
>
> I fixed this. "%c" equals to `org-html-creator-string' (#+CREATOR:)
> value. You are responsible for the translation.

Thank you, you're very helpful.  

Even though I'm not yet happy with this because the
org-html-creator-string default:

"Generated by <a href=\"http://orgmode.org\";>Org</a> mode 8.0-pre in <a 
href=\"http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/\";>Emacs</a> 24.3.3."

is in my opinion too much language dependent!  It requires the user who
wants to translate the preamble to change 2 places,
org-html-postamble-format *and* org-html-creator-string.

Why not simply making org-html-creator-string "name oriented", like:

"<a href=\"http://orgmode.org\";>Org</a> mode 8.0-pre / <a 
href=\"http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/\";>Emacs</a> 24.3.3."

Then one would be done with just translating
org-html-postamble-format...

>> By the way, I think the creation Time (%T) capability of the postamble
>> is rather pointless, could you please change it to the modification time
>> or add something (like %C)? This would save the hassle of putting
>> everywhere #+DATE: {{{modification-time(%Y-%m-%d)}}} into the files.
>> One could just change the %d to %C...
>
> I added %C.

Thank you. 

Works wonderfully for English, sorry I forgot the more general case.
The default time string format has a day name included.  Wouldn't it be
possible for the exporters to look for the language keyword e.g.:
#+LANGUAGE: fr and set the time string translated accordingly?  I've no
idea how much work it is but I imagine org asking the OS under some
locale argument might do...

Or just using a default time string format which is language
independent, like %Y-%m-%d.

>> Moreover, I think the documentation string is not really precise about
>> the creation time.  We have on Linux atime, mtime and ctime (Access,
>> Modification and in effect the inode "Change" time), probably the modern
>> file systems store additionally the "true Creation" time.
>
> This was about the creation time of the /output/, which is, in fact, the
> time of export. I changed the docstring to make it clear.

Sorry for the confusion, now I understand.

By the way, is it normal that org-html-postamble-format and
org-html-creator-string are not loaded before an html export is
triggered?

-- 
Best wishes

H. Dieter Wilhelm
Darmstadt
Germany