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Re: Status of IPA patch?
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Juri Linkov |
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Re: Status of IPA patch? |
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Fri, 28 Aug 2009 22:05:33 +0300 |
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Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) |
> > > > The omission of those two was intentional, since U+20A7 is
> > > > equivalent to tʃ (note that that digraph doesn’t include the tie
> > > > that would be necessary to have it as a phoneme distinct from /t/
> > > > followed by /ʃ/) and g is equivalent to U+0261 for the purposes of
> > > > the IPA.
> >
> > I don’t understand why do you omit U+20A7 and U+0261 if they exist in
> > X-SAMPA and Kirshenbaum?
>
> The IPA standards (which X-SAMPA and Kirshenbaum build on) define _U+20A7_
> and _U+0261_ as being equivalent to _a succession of U+0074 and U+0283_, and
> _U+0067_, respectively. The former two code points just represent
> compatibility glyphs (with U+20A7 leading to needless confusion, since
> people might reasonably believe that it meant the same as U+0074 U+2040
> U+0283, including the tie I mention above).
Since these are three most popular ways to represent this sound,
I think we should support all of them:
1. a ligature ʧ (U+02A7)
2. two symbols tʃ (U+0074 U+0283)
3. two symbols joined with a tie t͡ʃ (U+0074 U+2040 U+0283)
This can be done with a non-deterministic quail guidance string
displaying a menu of possible variants.
> Kirshenbaum mentions ASCII g as mapping to both U+0067 and U+0261 without
> comment. Including both would not add to the semantic range of what the user
> can input (in terms of the IPA), and would again be needlessly confusing
> (the user types g; wonders if 0 or 1 is more appropriate; when it doesn’t
> actually matter,
I agree there is no sense to create a menu of both U+0067 and U+0261,
so we should keep only the IPA symbol U+0261, because U+0067 is easy
to type anyway without an input method.
> and U+0067 is always more certain to be preserved by software).
The problem of preserving by software is not specific to U+0261,
but rather to the most of IPA symbols.
--
Juri Linkov
http://www.jurta.org/emacs/
- Re: Status of IPA patch?, (continued)
- Re: Status of IPA patch?, Glenn Morris, 2009/08/25
- Re: Status of IPA patch?, Juri Linkov, 2009/08/27
- Re: Status of IPA patch?, Aidan Kehoe, 2009/08/27
- Re: Status of IPA patch?, Aidan Kehoe, 2009/08/28
- Re: Status of IPA patch?, Miles Bader, 2009/08/28
- Re: Status of IPA patch?, Aidan Kehoe, 2009/08/28
- Re: Status of IPA patch?, Juri Linkov, 2009/08/28
- Re: Status of IPA patch?, Aidan Kehoe, 2009/08/28
- Re: Status of IPA patch?, Juri Linkov, 2009/08/28
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