Re: percussion clef and change clef commands

[Richard Shann]

I meant to include a sample - attached
Richard
On Sun, 2023-08-06 at 08:45 +0100, Richard Shann wrote:
> On Sat, 2023-08-05 at 11:49 -0700, Donald J. Stewart wrote:
> > 1 - I copied ALL of the notes/etc from AFTER the time signature
> > 2 - I deleted the entire staff
> > 3 - I added a new staff -- it seems the initial staff was already
> > set
> > to 'bass'
> > > [...]
> > > > And when attempting to change to Treble Clef,
> > > 
> > > Do you mean to change the initial clef to a Treble Clef or to
> > > insert a
> > > clef change.
> > > If the former, then this problem with the "Initial Clef" command
> > > kicks
> > > in - it doesn't know about Drum clef and makes a mess. You have
> > > to
> > > use
> > > Clef Chooser with the cursor at the start of the staff.
> > > If the latter, that is uncharted territory ...
> 
> So from you pictures I gather it is the latter you are seeking to
> achieve, i.e. change from percussion clef to a treble clef in the
> course of the music. This is uncharted territory but:
> 
> The "Drum" option in the clef chooser not only sets the percussion
> clef
> but also fixes the position of Middle C on the staff.
> Instead use the "LilyPond" option from the Chooser and set the clef
> as
> percussion (all lower case).
> This then gives you the LilyPond percussion clef, which assigns the
> middle line of the staff to Middle C. To make the display correspond
> to
> this insert a Display Only Clef at the start of the music using the
> command
> 
> Command: Display Only Clef
> Inserts a clef that affects only the display, not the printed form.
> Use
> this if, after a Change Staff, the staff the voice will be on is in a
> different clef (avoiding too many ledger lines in the display, making
> it hard to read). Also useful to display in a familiar clef music
> which
> you want to be printed in a less familiar one (e.g. display in treble
> or bass clef music to be printed for viola).
> Location: Object Menu ▶ Clefs
> Internal Name: SetDisplayClef
> 
> and choosing Alto clef (which has Middle C on the mid line of the
> staff, so that matches LilyPond's percussion staff).
> 
> Then the note positions you enter will match those of the percussion
> staff in the typeset.
> 
> HTH
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > > 
> > > >  the notes appear 2
> > > > 
> > > > octaves higher in Print View than on Score View. Also, when
> > > > attempting to
> > > > change back to Percussion Clef, either the clef does not
> > > > appear,
> > > > or
> > > > the
> > > > command does not function.
> > > 
> > > The above is surely a consequence of this inadequate "Initial
> > > Clef"
> > > command. If you start afresh(*) and avoid using it (using Clef
> > > Chooser
> > > instead), do you find anything that fails to do what you need?
> > > 
> > > Richard
> > > (*)well, you don't literally have to start afresh, you can invoke
> > > the
> > > staff properties editor (Alt-Return) and delete the two Denemo
> > > Directives that support Drum clef...
> > > 
> > > > I've attached the denemo file to the work in progress. It's
> > > > line
> > > > 24.
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > _____________________________________________
> > > > D o    n a    l    d    J     S  t   e     w    a   r        t
> > > >            s     o    u   n      d        -          X
> > 
> 
>

percussion-treble.denemo
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