Re: [Denemo-devel] Hello and Re: Lute version of pavan

[Richard Shann]

The pdf file
http://www.denemo.org/dl32
now holds what is hopefully the final version of the exemplar of a
complete book generated using standard Denemo commands (version in git
needed). The book has Title Page, Table of Contents, Sections,
Appendices and critical commentary.
Thanks to all who helped with this.

Richard


On Tue, 2011-11-08 at 21:03 +0000, Richard Shann wrote:
> On Tue, 2011-11-08 at 14:55 +0000, Richard Shann wrote:
> > Thanks for sorting this out - only the one note was involved and with
> > that fixed I have added this version (apparently it comes from Testudo
> > Gallo-Germanica (Nürnberg, 1615)) as an appendix. This leaves only the
> > version in the Cambridge Library transcribed by Sarge Gerbode which
> > frustratingly I cannot convert properly from the midi - neither midi2ly
> > nor Denemo's midi import can make sense of the midi file. The pdf of the
> > tablature looks fine, but the source for that is fronimo which I don't
> > have.
> > If anyone can help with this version I will add this to score to make a
> > definitive edition.
> I have made progress with this now - I installed Rosegarden and imported
> the midi there, then exported the lilypond and finally imported that
> into Denemo. Denemo BTW is not handling rests without explicit durations
> nor dotted notes correctly :(
> I shall post up the result of this pilgrimage shortly. I am still trying
> to track down the authors responsible...
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> > 
> > Richard
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, 2011-11-06 at 21:46 +0100, Edgar Aichinger wrote: 
> > > Hello Richard and list,
> > > 
> > > > I attach a pdf of the Pavana Dolorosa extracted from the tablature
> > > > transcribed by G. Furhmann
> > > > It seems that (some of?) the low string(s) are not tuned as expected,
> > > > since low D appears in C chords (etc.?).
> > > 
> > > Oh, I didn't even listen to the generated midi.
> > > 
> > > I haven't checked the Fuhrmann book for evidence but I think it was quite
> > > common to use different tunings for the diapasons, or ask for lutes with 
> > > different bass configuration, even in the same book! I think the player 
> > > simply was expected to be able to cope with what was written, and which
> > > instrument he had at hands. And, from my experience, you get used to that 
> > > and develop a sense to memorize quickly which pitch a symbol means, and 
> > > can adapt, even when sight-reading.
> > > 
> > > The standard tuning for extended basses on a lute in G would be:
> > > 
> > >                   7th (a)   8th (/a)   9th (//a)  10th (///a)
> > >  7-course lute      D
> > >  8-course lute      F         D
> > > 10-course lute      F         E          D          C
> > > 
> > > But obviously in this piece //a means C.
> > > 
> > > (BTW, Jeremiah, those lutes had the additional strings all over the 
> > > fretboard, 
> > > at the same scale, and quite many pieces from around 1600 require stopped 
> > > bourdons. This Fuhrmann setting of the Pavana Dolorosa asks for a, /a, /c 
> > > and 
> > > //a, which seems to imply a 9-course instrument...
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > Can anyone throw any light on this? Specifically the step from tab to
> > > > lilypond must involve some specification of the tuning - who provides
> > > > this?
> > > 
> > > There was no step from tab to lilypond - I loaded the Fuhrman.jtb source 
> > > file
> > > into the windows program Django, and after some trickery was able to 
> > > export 
> > > the midifile even with the demo version. I think at this step the 
> > > misinterpretation happened, and I don't know Django well enough (it's a 
> > > complex
> > > program with lots of toolbars full of icons, windows style, I find it 
> > > horribly
> > > confusing) to know if it can manage different bass tunings within one 
> > > file 
> > > (which can contain many pieces).
> > > 
> > > Then I imported this midifile to Rosegarden, printed the score preview to 
> > > the 
> > > PDF I sent to you, and also exported to lilypond from there. I think I 
> > > spent 
> > > less than 1/2 hour on this, including installing the Django demo, so 
> > > there was
> > > no error-checking whatsoever ;)
> > > 
> > > > I will check in some extra Denemo goodies that I used to create this
> > > > from the .ly file that Edgar sent me (unfortunately, no progress on
> > > > lilypond import itself, it falls over on easy to skip things, like
> > > > tenuto markings and slurs...)
> > > 
> > > > Richard
> > > 
> > > Edgar
> > > 
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