Re: [Denemo-devel] Hello and Re: Lute version of pavan

[Richard Shann]

On Tue, 2011-11-08 at 14:55 +0000, Richard Shann wrote:
> Thanks for sorting this out - only the one note was involved and with
> that fixed I have added this version (apparently it comes from Testudo
> Gallo-Germanica (Nürnberg, 1615)) as an appendix. This leaves only the
> version in the Cambridge Library transcribed by Sarge Gerbode which
> frustratingly I cannot convert properly from the midi - neither midi2ly
> nor Denemo's midi import can make sense of the midi file. The pdf of the
> tablature looks fine, but the source for that is fronimo which I don't
> have.
> If anyone can help with this version I will add this to score to make a
> definitive edition.
I have made progress with this now - I installed Rosegarden and imported
the midi there, then exported the lilypond and finally imported that
into Denemo. Denemo BTW is not handling rests without explicit durations
nor dotted notes correctly :(
I shall post up the result of this pilgrimage shortly. I am still trying
to track down the authors responsible...

Richard


> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, 2011-11-06 at 21:46 +0100, Edgar Aichinger wrote: 
> > Hello Richard and list,
> > 
> > > I attach a pdf of the Pavana Dolorosa extracted from the tablature
> > > transcribed by G. Furhmann
> > > It seems that (some of?) the low string(s) are not tuned as expected,
> > > since low D appears in C chords (etc.?).
> > 
> > Oh, I didn't even listen to the generated midi.
> > 
> > I haven't checked the Fuhrmann book for evidence but I think it was quite
> > common to use different tunings for the diapasons, or ask for lutes with 
> > different bass configuration, even in the same book! I think the player 
> > simply was expected to be able to cope with what was written, and which
> > instrument he had at hands. And, from my experience, you get used to that 
> > and develop a sense to memorize quickly which pitch a symbol means, and 
> > can adapt, even when sight-reading.
> > 
> > The standard tuning for extended basses on a lute in G would be:
> > 
> >                   7th (a)   8th (/a)   9th (//a)  10th (///a)
> >  7-course lute      D
> >  8-course lute      F         D
> > 10-course lute      F         E          D          C
> > 
> > But obviously in this piece //a means C.
> > 
> > (BTW, Jeremiah, those lutes had the additional strings all over the 
> > fretboard, 
> > at the same scale, and quite many pieces from around 1600 require stopped 
> > bourdons. This Fuhrmann setting of the Pavana Dolorosa asks for a, /a, /c 
> > and 
> > //a, which seems to imply a 9-course instrument...
> > 
> > 
> > > Can anyone throw any light on this? Specifically the step from tab to
> > > lilypond must involve some specification of the tuning - who provides
> > > this?
> > 
> > There was no step from tab to lilypond - I loaded the Fuhrman.jtb source 
> > file
> > into the windows program Django, and after some trickery was able to export 
> > the midifile even with the demo version. I think at this step the 
> > misinterpretation happened, and I don't know Django well enough (it's a 
> > complex
> > program with lots of toolbars full of icons, windows style, I find it 
> > horribly
> > confusing) to know if it can manage different bass tunings within one file 
> > (which can contain many pieces).
> > 
> > Then I imported this midifile to Rosegarden, printed the score preview to 
> > the 
> > PDF I sent to you, and also exported to lilypond from there. I think I 
> > spent 
> > less than 1/2 hour on this, including installing the Django demo, so there 
> > was
> > no error-checking whatsoever ;)
> > 
> > > I will check in some extra Denemo goodies that I used to create this
> > > from the .ly file that Edgar sent me (unfortunately, no progress on
> > > lilypond import itself, it falls over on easy to skip things, like
> > > tenuto markings and slurs...)
> > 
> > > Richard
> > 
> > Edgar
> > 
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