Re: ls is broken, what's next cd?

[Michael]

On 06/02/2018 20:16, Kaz Kylheku (Coreutils) wrote:
> On 2018-02-06 01:30, Michael wrote:
> > On 06/02/2018 08:13, Bernhard Voelker wrote:
> > > On 02/06/2018 12:41 AM, Michael Felt wrote:
> > > > imho, the main problem is you change the default behavior, and 43 
> > > > years
> > > > of programs are broken.
> > >
> > > no, as explained it does not affect programs and scripts, because this
> > > only changes the output to the terminal.
> >
> > Yes, I thought about that too. So, maybe I would have liked the choice
> > to be able to have them quoted IF and/or WHEN I needed to cut/paste
> > names. But now I must either not install coreutils (as I have that
> > option) or always remember to add three characters (' -N') everytime I
> > want normal ls output.
>
> Are you saying that even names without spaces are being quoted?
No. Did not say that. But I hope they are - for consistencies sake. My 
complaint, as such, is about changing the default behavior, not about 
having an "option" to display filenames with quoting characters.
> If you only see these quotes for idiotic file names, then there is
> really no issue.
>
> Nobody should even listen to your complaint, because it is
> prompted by the fact that you have such names in your filesystem,

what such names? I have normal names. My complaint is about Human 
Factors - and changing the defaults.


> which automatically makes you wrong in that same face of 43 years
> of Unix alluded to upthread.
>
> I'm ideologically opposed to this -N thing myself, or anything
> which caters to these ill-conceived file names.
I believe it is the opposite: -N (for Normal? with a capital N!), 
whereas the new default caters to 'ill-conceived file names'.
> However, practically speaking, sometimes professionals who
> do not themselves name things that way can fall "victim" to
> people who do. If you have to deal with someone else's filesystem
> or tarball or whatever, it does behoove you if your ls disambiguates
> things for you.
I have dealt with such issues since 1979 (so only 38+ years) without 
such assistance.

Good day all! May 'ls' be with you!