Re: [Savannah-dev] Re: GPL Source Forge

[Christian BAYLE]

Hi all

I would be very interested to know how made interface 
between sourceforge and phpgroupware.
Is your approach based on LDAP, and in this case how distribution is
handled?

Is there some code we could put in debian-sf package?

Christian

Cesar Brod wrote:
> 
> Hello Loic,
> 
> Well, it is not that MIOLO is better than phpGroupware. We actually use
> phpGroupware to provide the agenda, catalog, etc.. functions to our users
> which are authenticated through LDAP. MIOLO is a tool that could be used
> when building phpGroupware, for instance.
> 
> MIOLO is our "holistic software development methodology" materialized as a
> set of classes that are as modularized as possible and yet as complete in
> self-contained functionality as possible - thus holistic: the joining of
> all the parts becomes bigger than the whole (Gee, I wonder if it still
> means the same in English!). MIOLO provides classes for database connection
> and presentation logic, allowing full code separation. The one that writes
> the user interface doesn't need to know about SQL, and so on. By using
> a "Theme" based user interface, it becomes very easy when using MIOLO to
> have the same system "tailored" accordingly to the customer or project
> visual identification. MIOLO allows you to "steal" popular phpNuke themes
> also.
> 
> MIOLO also provides classes for user authentication (and system behaviour,
> accordingly to the user), error control, form and listing dynamic
> generation.
> 
> You can have some idea on how MIOLO is structured by looking at two
> screenshots located here:
> 
> http://miolo.codigoaberto.org.br/modules/miolo/handlers/preswww/html/slide_1
> 3.html
> 
> and
> 
> http://miolo.codigoaberto.org.br/modules/miolo/handlers/preswww/html/slide_1
> 4.html
> 
> The first one is the HTML code used to generate a small table, and the
> second one is the MIOLO powered code.
> 
> At
> 
> http://miolo.codigoaberto.org.br/handler.php?
> module=miolo&action=doc&item=doc
> 
> you have the existing classes documented (I just looked at the site right
> now and the links to the class documentation are not working, Vilson will
> fix it as soon as he reads this e-Mail). Also, Vilson can provide you the
> source code and some information on how to use it.
> 
> Maybe the biggest advantage of MIOLO over others is not the software
> itself, but the fact we were already planning on migrating the CodigoAberto
> (SF-like) infrastructure to the new MIOLO architecture. The first step -
> the MIOLO Distributed Portal - is already being developed, and looking at
> Savanah's plan it seems we are walking the same path.
> 
> I will print the Savanah's plan and discuss with Vilson what can be
> accomplished with MIOLO and what would need to be implemented, and maybe
> contribute with some further ideas. I am ashamed we still don't have a
> better description in English on MIOLO capabilities. Adding features to
> MIOLO is already very time consuming.
> 
> Anyway, Vilson will be arriving in Europe December 1st. He is planning to
> take a train to Paris in a weekend. Maybe you guys can schedule a "hands-on
> workshop" and see what kind of code you guys can write together. How does
> it sound?
> 
> I believe we have already accomplished something very important: the fact
> we are working on similar projects and we mybe able to join some efforts.
> 
> Regards!
> 
> Cesar
> 
> > Cesar Brod writes:
> >  > Expanding a little bit on Vilson's original e-Mail ...
> >  >
> >  > We are using SourceForge software for about a year now. It started
> >  > when  we needed a tool that would allow us cooperative development
> >  > of our free  software projects, and soon after that we opened it for
> >  > the community.  CodigoAberto (http://codigoaberto.org.br) now hosts
> >  > more than 100  projects of almost 900 developers. CodigoAberto
> >  > already has some tools  that are not part of SourceForge, although
> >  > it still has pretty much the  same "skin".
> >  >
> >  > With the development of MIOLO (http://miolo.codigoaberto.org.br), an
> >  >  Object Oriented database connection and presentation middleware for
> >  > PHP  application development, we are planning to migrate
> >  > CodigoAberto to a  completely new structure, based on the MIOLO-DP
> >  > (MIOLO Distributed  Portal). So, we pretty much know what we need.
> >  > The only thing we lack is  developers time, since pretty much all of
> >  > us are knee-deep on other  projects. This is one of the reasons
> >  > Vilson (MIOLO's main author) is  traveling to Gelsenkirchen, German,
> >  > where he will stay for three months  teaching, among other things,
> >  > cooperative free software development with  MIOLO. He will try to
> >  > get more people involved with our projects and  also get some
> >  > funding that would allow us to hire more people to work  with us
> >  > with free software development.
> >  >
> >  > A SourceForge like site to host Free Software projects is really
> >  > non-rocket-science, as most of the tools needed for cooperative
> >  > development already exist - it is a lot of work, though. It is just
> >  > a  question of getting all tools (CVS, Mailing Lists, Forums,
> >  > Project  Management, etc...) together and make it as easy as
> >  > possible for newbies  to get excited about it and start using it. It
> >  > makes a lot of sense  (well, to me at least...) to have a
> >  > distributed portal with hosts in  several countries, with tools that
> >  > will ease cooperative software  development. If the FSF will be the
> >  > foundation behind this new "GPL-Only  Source Forge" we can be sure
> >  > no developer will get caught in the  SourceForge trap.
> >  >
> >
> >       Thanks very much for this detailed description. I hope you
> > found all you need to know about Savannah at
> > http://savannah.gnu.org/docs/savannah-plan.html.
> >
> >       I'd be interested to hear why MIOLO would be better than
> > phpGroupWare for the implementation of a cooperative development
> > platform. Could you please highlight the two or three most important
> > points ?
> >
> >       Thanks in advance,
> >
> > --
> > Loic   Dachary         http://www.dachary.org/  address@hidden
> > 24 av Secretan         http://www.senga.org/      address@hidden
> > 75019    Paris         T: 33 1 42 45 09 16          address@hidden
> >         GPG Public Key: http://www.dachary.org/loic/gpg.txt
> 
> 
> Cesar Brod
> Univates/Brod Tecnologia
> http://www.univates.br
> http://www.brod.com.br
> 
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