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bug#32142: WG: 26.1; Problems with flyspell-region
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R. Diez |
Subject: |
bug#32142: WG: 26.1; Problems with flyspell-region |
Date: |
Sat, 14 Jul 2018 17:15:12 +0200 |
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I added the caveats to the doc strings of the relevant functions and
variables.
That's good, thanks.
I object to the "unable or unwilling" part of your complaint.
I was just stating the fact that the feature you expected was > missing from
Emacs, because no one designed and coded it.
My "complaining" and your "stating of the fact" are both subjective
perceptions.
My point of view is as follows: I took several e-mails to fix (if only
in the documentation) an obvious issue I had reported correctly and I
had to insist. Your answers were selective, side-stepping the problem.
Your tend to answer in an authoritative way, kind of supporting or
defending the current implementation, or negating the existence of a
problem. It is a frustrating exercise. This is not the first time that
this kind of "resistance" happens to me with open source projects, or
with the Emacs developers. It is in fact a recurring pattern.
At least we are getting somewhere, if only through your doc improvements.
??? Did you read the help provided by ispell-region? You could
either:
> [...]
ispell-region is an even better example than Flyspell on what is wrong
with a lot of Emacs modules:
- When I press '?', the extended help message disappears after a few
seconds, while in the middle of reading it.
- The wording "exit" and "quit" is ambiguous.
- The difference between exiting with 'x' and 'X' is not clear from that
message.
- I cannot type 'C-u M-$' to resume spell-checking, because Ctrl+U is
mapped to something else on my config, and I cannot get M-$ to work
anyway with my German keyboard. Or maybe because Alt+4 ('$' is on the
'4' key) is mapped to something else. Who knows.
- I do not understand why I have to learn so much to use ispell-region
anyway. Why should I enter some "recursive edit" mode or read so much
documentation? I should just move the cursor around and fix spelling, as
usual. If I go out of the region, and the mode stops, I could understand
that. Or maybe if I cannot get out of the region until I quit the
"spelling mode". But the rest is too much.
- The way to get further help, that you mention, is typing "x C-h f
ispell-help", which is so long I forgot when the help text disappeared
before I finished reading it anyway.
But now you mentioned it, I looked at the help. It's awful. It feels
like vim. There is even a "Redraw screen" command! How can you say it is
"very convenient"???
I guess we could start a new bug about ispell, couldn't we?
But I feel like I overstepped my time budget with Emacs spell-checkers
this year. So I'll leave it at this point.
Regards,
rdiez