Re: [Ranger-users] A new approach to build the user interface of the future!

[Wojciech 'vifon' Siewierski]

You have clearly never used GNU Emacs.

Gerald Klein writes:

> Germain Z: So following your line of thought, I would, by changing be able
> to do 20 times the amount of work in a day that I currently do?, I don't
> care what statistician wrote that line of crap, it is not going to happen,
> it's nonsense
>
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 2:38 PM, Germain Z. <address@hidden> wrote:
>
>> Aloof Lispr is a very serious statistics company that has nothing to
>> do with Lisp.
>>
>> Proal Foils, Ripls Poalfo and Sliaf Loopr are all renowned
>> statisticians as well… even Pria Loafos and April Loofs reviewed the
>> analysis and certified it. Stop fighting science, man -- it's always
>> been right, especially on this day.
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 5:32 PM, Gerald Klein <address@hidden> wrote:
>> > I love how you insist what something means to me, you are laughable, I
>> > couldn't care less about some analysis, and to think that everyone is
>> > objective is naive. I love how you cite a LIsp group for the anaysis,
>> they
>> > are notoriously emacs users, yes no agenda there.
>> >
>> > On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Germain Z. <address@hidden> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> It's not about belief or preference -- it's been scientifically proven
>> >> Emacs is superior for productivity: keep reading for more info. Aloof
>> >> Lispr Inc. actually conducted a lengthy analysis and compared the
>> >> productivity of people who use Emacs key bindings in their daily lives
>> >> with people who use vim key bindings.
>> >>
>> >> The analysis took various habits and professions into consideration,
>> >> and even took a look at people switching from one to another. More
>> >> than 142015 vim pros and 115204 Emacs pros participated in the study,
>> >> so please don't tell me the values aren't representative enough. A
>> >> 2010% increase in productivity was recorded for users switching from
>> >> vim to Emacs key bindings, versus a -2012% difference for people going
>> >> from Emas to vim bindings (jugglers between vim and Emacs didn't fare
>> >> so well, with a -2018% difference).
>> >>
>> >> In fact, only 0.0201514% to 0.0201541% of vim users were able to
>> >> maintain higher productivity with vim after extensive training
>> >> sessions with Emacs.
>> >> For comparison, only 1.42015×10-⁹ to 4.12015×10-⁹ of Emacs users
>> >> switching to vim were able to maintain higher productivity after
>> >> extensive training sessions with vim. Again, this was all done by a
>> >> trusted statistics company, Aloof Lispr, and I highly doubt it is
>> >> faked in any manner. The research was also reviewed and approved by
>> >> renowned statisticians, including but not limited to Proal Foils,
>> >> Ripls Poalfo and Sliaf Loopr.
>> >>
>> >> With all that in mind, I think hut is making a glorious decision on
>> >> this day. 4-1-2015 will be marked down in history as the day Emacs got
>> >> a real file manager, greatly benefiting the world. It will probably
>> >> end up being one of the direct causes to finding the cure for all
>> >> known illnesses. All praise.
>> >>
>> >> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 3:52 PM, Gerald Klein <address@hidden> wrote:
>> >> > It's not about belief at all, it is about preference, what arguments
>> >> > have
>> >> > more fury then the Vim vs Emacs arguments, it is to the point of
>> >> > Ideology,
>> >> > and more simply, why should I learn a whole CRAP LOAD of more
>> commands,
>> >> > my
>> >> > job is not learning Ranger is writing code. I need dependable fast
>> tools
>> >> > that I know. So I will hold back the upgrade till it refuses to
>> >> > function,
>> >> > then I guess finds something else.
>> >> >
>> >> > On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 7:45 AM, Andres MRM <address@hidden>
>> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Unbelievers...
>> >> >> I find your lack of faith disturbing.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Quoting Gerald Klein (2015-04-01 09:39:01)
>> >> >> > I apologize but I won't be changing to Emacs bindings, why would I
>> >> >> > change from
>> >> >> > hitting one key to hitting many for the same result, explain why
>> this
>> >> >> > is
>> >> >> > better, (that is sarcastic, it's not better)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:34 AM, Cédric Picard <address@hidden>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >     That actually sounds pretty thoughtful. Being able to plug
>> emacs
>> >> >> >     plugins in ranger, we won't have to go out of ranger for
>> >> >> > anything.
>> >> >> > We
>> >> >> >     will even be able to disable Ctrl+k and stop providing a way to
>> >> >> > go
>> >> >> >     out. That would a nice feature as it was proved that the more
>> >> >> >     difficult it is to exit a system, the easier it is to learn it
>> >> >> >     deeply.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >     I can't wait to be able to browse the internet in
>> ranger-browser
>> >> >> >     while listening to the ranger-music-player-daemon.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >     However, Python isn't a GNU standard language so if we really
>> >> >> > want
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> >     benefit from it I think that it is important to rewrite ranger
>> in
>> >> >> >     lisp. Emacs lisp seems the best suited flavor for this.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >     What do you think?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >     On Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 07:15:11AM +0200, Miodrag Milic wrote:
>> >> >> >     > Cedric dude
>> >> >> >     >
>> >> >> >     > Are you high or something ?? You have to focus ASAP. This is
>> >> >> > historic
>> >> >> >     > moment.
>> >> >> >     >
>> >> >> >     > Since we are now members of the Emacs church i think we
>> should
>> >> >> > embrace
>> >> >> >     the
>> >> >> >     > new religion totally and let ranger implement elisp plugin
>> >> >> > system,
>> >> >> >     > compatible with emacs spec,  so that we can run some or all
>> >> >> > emacs
>> >> >> > plugins
>> >> >> >     > within ranger. I know, its a non trivial task but we will
>> help
>> >> >> > by
>> >> >> >     donating
>> >> >> >     > and styling documentation. What do you guys say  ? (dont say
>> >> >> > no,
>> >> >> > you know
>> >> >> >     > its awesome)
>> >> >> >     > On Apr 1, 2015 2:37 AM, "Cédric Picard" <address@hidden>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >     >
>> >> >> >     > > Okay, let's be serious.
>> >> >> >     > > The great thing about this new release is that now we can
>> use
>> >> >> > thoses
>> >> >> >     > > free keys to type, but to type what? Well, what's typed
>> most
>> >> >> > often in
>> >> >> >     > > a file manager is a path.
>> >> >> >     > >
>> >> >> >     > > So let's think about it for a second: what if we typed
>> >> >> > nothing
>> >> >> > but
>> >> >> >     > > paths? It's common knowledge on Unix that everything is a
>> >> >> > file.
>> >> >> > I
>> >> >> >     > > think we might be able to pull something out of it.
>> >> >> >     > >
>> >> >> >     > > What I propose is to implement a ranger file system
>> >> >> > (rangerfs)
>> >> >> > that
>> >> >> >     > > will allow us to use our file systems more efficiently.
>> >> >> >     > >
>> >> >> >     > > Examples:
>> >> >> >     > >
>> >> >> >     > > Moving a file could be accessing:
>> >> >> >     > >
>> >> >> >     > > /tmp/ranger/move/+FILE+/home/cym13/file/+TO+/tmp/newFile
>> >> >> >     > >
>> >> >> >     > > Copy? Easy!
>> >> >> >     > >
>> >> >> >     > > /tmp/ranger/copy/+FILE+/home/cym13/file/+TO+/tmp/newFile
>> >> >> >     > >
>> >> >> >     > > Opening with a program with vim:
>> >> >> >     > >
>> >> >> >     > > /tmp/ranger/open/+WITH+/usr/bin/vim/+FILE+/home/cym13/file/
>> >> >> >     > >
>> >> >> >     > > With rifle:
>> >> >> >     > >
>> >> >> >     > >
>> /tmp/ranger/open/+WITH+/usr/bin/rifle/+FILE+/home/cym13/file/
>> >> >> >     > >
>> >> >> >     > > Notice how useful it would be! And the best is that it
>> would
>> >> >> > not
>> >> >> > be
>> >> >> >     > > limited to ranger as any program able to deal with files
>> >> >> > would
>> >> >> > be
>> >> >> >     > > able to use the full power of ranger!
>> >> >> >     > >
>> >> >> >     > > Honestly, don't you think it would be interesting?
>> >> >> >     > >
>> >> >> >     > > On Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 02:04:02AM +0200, hut wrote:
>> >> >> >     > > > I have the feeling that you guys are pulling my leg.
>> It's
>> >> >> > a
>> >> >> > serious
>> >> >> >     > > > problem.  How about we use the free key bindings to add
>> >> >> > commands for
>> >> >> >     > > > navigation, file operations and other useful tasks?
>> >> >> >     > > >
>> >> >> >     > > > On Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 01:29:09AM +0200, Miodrag Milic
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >     > > > > >Hey Miodrag, got any idea what to do with all the keys
>> >> >> > that
>> >> >> > are
>> >> >> >     > > unused now?
>> >> >> >     > > > > YES.
>> >> >> >     > > > >
>> >> >> >     > > > > You should bind those to some great applications and
>> >> >> > sites
>> >> >> > needed
>> >> >> >     by
>> >> >> >     > > > > everyone like thunderbird, minecraft, facebook ...
>> >> >> >     > > > >
>> >> >> >     > > > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:16 AM, Cédric Picard
>> >> >> > <address@hidden>
>> >> >> >     > > wrote:
>> >> >> >     > > > >
>> >> >> >     > > > > > I think the least would be to print a big red warning
>> >> >> > message
>> >> >> >     > > > > > explaining why typing on a key alone should be
>> >> >> > deprecated.
>> >> >> >     > > > > >
>> >> >> >     > > > > > Or print an ascii punny per key. That could be fun.
>> >> >> > Like a
>> >> >> >     child's
>> >> >> >     > > > > > mode. « Son, when you are old enough, I'll teach you
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > Meta
>> >> >> >     key.
>> >> >> >     > > > > > Right now, play with the punnies. »
>> >> >> >     > > > > >
>> >> >> >     > > > > > On Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 01:07:43AM +0200, hut wrote:
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > Hey Miodrag, got any idea what to do with all the
>> >> >> > keys
>> >> >> > that are
>> >> >> >     > > unused
>> >> >> >     > > > > > now?
>> >> >> >     > > > > > >
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 12:54:02AM +0200, Miodrag
>> >> >> > Milic
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > Nobody is being sarcastic here !
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > >
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > The change is already well documented (great work
>> >> >> > hut
>> >> >> > as
>> >> >> >     always,
>> >> >> >     > > > > > cheers)
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > RTFM and start testing ASAP, don't wait for free
>> >> >> > treatment,
>> >> >> >     just
>> >> >> >     > > buy
>> >> >> >     > > > > > some
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > B6  <http://goo.gl/0Jxut7>and you are ready to
>> go !
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > >
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 12:40 AM, Gerald Klein
>> >> >> > <address@hidden>
>> >> >> >     > > wrote:
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > >
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > > What is the change?? Without the sarcasm
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 5:15 PM, feel.squally <
>> >> >> >     > > > > > address@hidden>
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > > wrote:
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >> With vim key bindings for scrolling down along
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > files
>> >> >> >     in a
>> >> >> >     > > > > > directory
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >> you just need one finger typing j.
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >> I guess with emacs you need C+n that implies
>> TWO
>> >> >> > fingers.
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >> Also, if this change is about a concern of
>> >> >> > freedom,
>> >> >> > is
>> >> >> >     there
>> >> >> >     > > the
>> >> >> >     > > > > > FREEDOM
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >> to choose between vim and emacs key bindings
>> >> >> > like
>> >> >> > tmux
>> >> >> >     does?
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >> If so, I am happy with this change otherwise I
>> >> >> > think
>> >> >> >     ranger
>> >> >> >     > > will
>> >> >> >     > > > > > lose
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >> users pretty soon.
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >> Il 31/mar/2015 22:52 "Miodrag Milic" <
>> >> >> >     address@hidden>
>> >> >> >     > > ha
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >> scritto:
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>> > Imagine a text editor where you can just
>> type
>> >> >> > in
>> >> >> > some
>> >> >> >     > > keys, and
>> >> >> >     > > > > > they
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>> appear on
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>> the screen.  Just like that.
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>> OMG, I didn't even know such thing exists!!!!
>> >> >> > PLEASE!!!
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:41 PM, Gerald
>> Klein
>> >> >> > <
>> >> >> >     > > address@hidden>
>> >> >> >     > > > > > wrote:
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>> Can someone please tell if this is a joke,
>> I'm
>> >> >> > serious I
>> >> >> >     > > can't
>> >> >> >     > > > > > tell?
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 3:20 PM, hut
>> >> >> > <address@hidden>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>> So, ranger has been around for almost 6
>> >> >> > years,
>> >> >> > and
>> >> >> >     after
>> >> >> >     > > all
>> >> >> >     > > > > > this time
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>> of
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>> optimizing and re-evaluating, I think we
>> need
>> >> >> > a
>> >> >> >     paradigm
>> >> >> >     > > shift
>> >> >> >     > > > > > in the
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>> way
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>> ranger works.
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>>
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>> There are going to be a few changes
>> starting
>> >> >> > with the
>> >> >> >     > > upcoming
>> >> >> >     > > > > > 1.7.0
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>> release
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>> which can be tested now already by running
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > current
>> >> >> >     git
>> >> >> >     > > > > > version:
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>>
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>>   git clone
>> https://github.com/hut/ranger.git
>> >> >> > -b
>> >> >> >     current
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>>   cd ranger
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>>   ./ranger.py
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>>
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>> I sincerely believe now that trying to copy
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > vim
>> >> >> >     user
>> >> >> >     > > > > > experience
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>> was wrong
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>> on many levels, because clearly emacs is
>> the
>> >> >> > better
>> >> >> >     > > editor.  It's
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>> build on the
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>> idea of freedom, of elegance and of having
>> to
>> >> >> > press
>> >> >> >     > > modifier
>> >> >> >     > > > > > keys all
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>> the time.
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>>
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>> If that doesn't convince you yet, how about
>> >> >> > this:
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>>
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>> Imagine a text editor where you can just
>> type
>> >> >> > in
>> >> >> > some
>> >> >> >     > > keys, and
>> >> >> >     > > > > > they
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>> appear on
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>> the screen.  Just like that.  No silly
>> modes,
>> >> >> > no
>> >> >> > crazy
>> >> >> >     > > things
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>> happening by
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>> typing random characters on the keyboard
>> >> >> > (think
>> >> >> > ggdGZZ,
>> >> >> >     it
>> >> >> >     > > > > > deletes
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>> your whole
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>> text, then saves the file and quits the
>> >> >> > editor!
>> >> >> > How
>> >> >> >     crazy
>> >> >> >     > > is
>> >> >> >     > > > > > that?!)
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>>
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>> No.  Using Emacs key bindings is the only
>> >> >> > sane
>> >> >> > way to
>> >> >> >     do
>> >> >> >     > > it.
>> >> >> >     > > > > > Check
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>> out the
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>> new key bindings on the man page:
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>> http://ranger.nongnu.org/ranger.1.html
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>>
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>> Of course ranger has no concept of "typing
>> in
>> >> >> > text"
>> >> >> >     like
>> >> >> >     > > emacs
>> >> >> >     > > > > > does,
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>> so typing
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>> in keys without modifiers will do nothing
>> at
>> >> >> > all.
>> >> >> >     > > Basically you
>> >> >> >     > > > > > will
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>> have to
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>> use modifier keys for everything you do.
>> But
>> >> >> > still
>> >> >> >     it's
>> >> >> >     > > > > > obviously
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>> better than
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>> vim-like key bindings.  ***BONUS*** The
>> first
>> >> >> > 100 to
>> >> >> >     > > upgrade
>> >> >> >     > > > > > will get
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>> a free
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>> treatment for their future carpal tunnel
>> >> >> > syndrome!
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>>
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>> Regards,
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>> hut
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>>
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>>
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>> --
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>> Gerald Klein DBA
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>> address@hidden
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>> www.geraldklein.com <
>> http://geraldklein.com/>
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>> geraldklein.wordpress.com
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>> address@hidden
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>> 708-599-0352
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>> Arch, Gentoo I3, Ranger & Vim the coding
>> >> >> > triple
>> >> >> > threat.
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>> Linux registered user #548580
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >>>>
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>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > > --
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > > Gerald Klein DBA
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >
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>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >
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>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > > geraldklein.wordpress.com
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > > address@hidden
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > > 708-599-0352
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > > Arch, Gentoo I3, Ranger & Vim the coding triple
>> >> >> > threat.
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > > Linux registered user #548580
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > >
>> >> >> >     > > > > > > > > Brought to you by the Amish Mafia
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>> >> >> >     > > > > > --
>> >> >> >     > > > > >
>> >> >> >     > > > > >       Cédric Picard
>> >> >> >     > > > > >
>> >> >> >     > > > > > « No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference
>> >> >> > with
>> >> >> > his
>> >> >> >     > > privacy,
>> >> >> >     > > > > > family, home or correspondence »  Art.12 Universal
>> >> >> > Declaration of
>> >> >> >     > > Human
>> >> >> >     > > > > > Rights
>> >> >> >     > > > > >
>> >> >> >     > > > > >
>> >> >> >     > > >
>> >> >> >     > >
>> >> >> >     > > --
>> >> >> >     > >
>> >> >> >     > >       Cédric Picard
>> >> >> >     > >
>> >> >> >     > > « No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with
>> >> >> > his
>> >> >> > privacy,
>> >> >> >     > > family, home or correspondence »  Art.12 Universal
>> >> >> > Declaration
>> >> >> > of Human
>> >> >> >     > > Rights
>> >> >> >     > >
>> >> >> >     > >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >     --
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >           Cédric Picard
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >     « No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his
>> >> >> > privacy,
>> >> >> >     family, home or correspondence »  Art.12 Universal Declaration
>> of
>> >> >> > Human
>> >> >> >     Rights
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > --
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Gerald Klein DBA
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > address@hidden
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > www.geraldklein.com
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > geraldklein.wordpress.com
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > address@hidden
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > 708-599-0352
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Arch, Gentoo I3, Ranger & Vim the coding triple threat.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Linux registered user #548580
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Brought to you by the Amish Mafia
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> >
>> >> > Gerald Klein DBA
>> >> >
>> >> > address@hidden
>> >> >
>> >> > www.geraldklein.com
>> >> >
>> >> > geraldklein.wordpress.com
>> >> >
>> >> > address@hidden
>> >> >
>> >> > 708-599-0352
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > Arch, Gentoo I3, Ranger & Vim the coding triple threat.
>> >> >
>> >> > Linux registered user #548580
>> >> >
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