Re: The `channels' field of `operating-system' record

[Ludovic Courtès]

Hello,

Tomas Volf <~@wolfsden.cz> skribis:

> After ~2 hours of digging I realized this is caused by the changes in
> 883e69cdfd226c8f40b6e3b76ce0740b59857de6.
>
> I see couple of issues here (in no particular order, questions prefixed with 
> Q):
>
> * My configuration file just *silently* stopped working.
>
> That is not great for obvious reasons.
>
> * There is no news entry

Oops, my apologies; the change felt pretty innocuous when I merged it,
but in hindsight, it seems clear that a news entry was warranted.
Lesson learned.

We can still add that news entry, though fewer people will see it now.

Thoughts?

> * Broken default behavior.
>
> Currently, out of the box, extra-special-file with "/etc/guix/channels.scm" 
> just
> does not do anything.  No error, no warning.  That is pretty unexpected.

Yes, why is that?  At first sight, that’s because ‘extra-special-file’
does things at activation time; there’s no check happening at
configuration time.

It was really meant for /bin/sh, /usr/bin/env, and similar.  The reason
its effect is silently dismissed in this case is, I think, because its
activation runs before the /etc activation.  So it’s really bad luck.

I’m not sure what to do here, apart from maybe recommending against
broad use of this service.

> * There is no terse way to turn it off
>
> Currently my configuration contains this:
>
>       (modify-services %base-services
>         (guix-service-type
>          config => (guix-configuration
>                     (inherit config)
>                     (channels #f))))

Hmm right.  You do want to create /etc/guix/channels.scm though, right?
(Since you had it initially.)

> * Q: Is there an easy way to fill (channels)?
>
> After I learned that (channels) is a thing, I wanted to use it, but did not 
> find
> any simple way how to do so.  My channels are in channels.scm produced by 
> `guix
> describe --format=channels', and I do not see any simple way to pass the 
> content
> of that file into (channels).  No, it does not accept (local-file).  I tried
> just (read)-ing it, but that too does not work.

That would be: (guix-configuration … (channels (load "channels.scm"))).

> * Q: Is the default value right?
>
> Currently it defaults to %default-channels, which causes all this magic.  
> Would
> it not be better to default to #f, so that it would do nothing magical out of
> the box and would be backwards compatible?  You could still turn it on by
> (Somehow?  See above.) providing desired value.

Yes, we could change the default to #f: it’s equivalent to
‘%default-channels’ but wouldn’t cause the undesirable side effect you
experienced.

Do you want to prepare a patch (or two)? :-)

Thanks for your feedback, and apologies again for the inconvenience!

Ludo’.