Re: [gNewSense-users] Thoughts on Persistence/Persistent (An Edit)

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> Hi,
> I am new here and would like to take a moment to toss out some thoughts on
> some issues.
> I am not new to linux, but with that said I am surely no hack, not even
> close. I plod along using the infinite monkey theorem ;)
>
> The Machine is a Dell Inspiron Duo, 2 usb ports no other external drives,
> internal HD was broke, so removed.
>
> First I know this is not a Free Hardware system in any way,  I wish it
> was, however, it seems to Me that many such broken devices lay about not
> used and I wanted to see if I could use it. Not to mention that in today?s
> day and age, there are so many devices like this so why not run gnewsense
> on them?
>
> First issue:  (should be a non-issue on next release but I left this in My
> draft in case anyone needs it)
> It was a lengthy process to get the wireless to work, but that will be
> solved as I understand in the next release.
> What I needed to do to get the wireless working (no wired connection as is
> fairly common among these devices)
> I have my note below in case anyone needs it before the next release.
> ----------------------From My notes--------------------------------- edit
> /etc/network/interfaces
> auto lo
> auto wlan0
> allow-hotplug wlano
> iface lo inet loopback
> iface wlan0 inet dhcp
>
> then
>
> iwcconfig wlan0 key xxxxxxxxxx mode managed essid MYNETWORKID channel auto
>
> then
>
> ifconfig wlan0 up
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> OK so Great! worked for My system however, without persistence, I would
> have to do this each time I boot from usb.
>
> Note: Since the above will be fixed in the next release, I would not have
> to do all of the above but simply choose My wireless and enter My key,
> however this is only one example of the need for some level of persistence
> on a live usb boot.
>
> Some would argue that booting from a live cd/live usb doesn?t need to have
> all the features as that is not what it is intended for...
>
> First I think live usb is valid and valuable given the current amount of
> devices that could use this method of enjoying gnewsense.I also think that
> booting from usb "Live persistent" is not documented well enough.
>
> Booting live is easy and the methods for getting gnewsense to a usb are
> well documented and easy.
> So I think it could be better documented as how to choose persistent (or
> persistence whichever applies)
> Also which type or "persistence" one might need or have available as there
> are actually pretty many.
>
> The word itself has many misconceptions, some think it is == to a usb true
> install, some see it as a user space partition that only saves certain
> things, others look to be able to save every setting there, so maybe we
> should define what gnewsense will call it and what it will allow and
> incorporate it into the releases in a way similar to Ubuntu, but in our
> own way that we decide, or offer not one but several ways to create a usb
> that will offer some persistent method of saving data.
>
>
> I followed samgee's suggestions from:
> http://live.debian.net/manual/oldstable/html/live-manual.en.html
> to make My own image, and it worked to an extent
>
> this is from My notes:
> ----------------------from My notes-------------------
> sudo lb config
> sudo lb config -b usb-hdd
> sudo lb config --bootappend-live persistent
> sudo lb build
> sudo dd if=binary.img of=/dev/sdb
>
sudo fdisk /dev/sdb
> press "p" and find last cylinder of first partition
> Then press ?n? to create a new partition, select a primary partition and
> enter the first free cylinder as the starting cylinder. Now you have to
> enter the size of the new partition.
> press "w" to write
> Now all you have to do is create a filesystem in your new partition, use
> the label ?live-rw?:
> sudo mkfs.ext3 -L live-rw /dev/sdb2
>
> On boot hit escape then type:
> live persistent
> ----------------------------------------------------
>
> I said above "it worked to an extent", it did save my user space settings,
> documents and such, but it did not save things I had done as root, or
> system wide via sudo. I believe that is because the above example was only
> designed for user space changes to be saved but I am unsure and not fully
> yet understanding the lb config --bootapend (parameters) and what goes
> where in /live-rw   , still learning...
>
>
> I would suggest we can build future releases with that feature in the
> build so you would have an extra option at the boot, but then also at
> least from the above, "sudo fdisk /dev/sdb" downwards in my notes we would
> have to add to the documentation. With that said, the instructions for the
> user would have to be fit to the method of persistence that would be
> chosen (or methods).
> I envision being able to download gnewsense, write it to a usb, chose a
> method of persistence and being capable of having your own free software
> distribution with you wherever you go, with the state of the system intact
> from wherever(whenever) you last shutdown from. I do realize it can be a
> can of worms to try and make one live distro work for everyone everywhere,
> so... yeah :)
> That leads to another thought, Does gnewsense even want to go there? Maybe
> other distro's that specialize in live-cd, live-usb's already carry that
> torch, but if so are they "Free"?
>
> Just some ideas I thought I would pass for review and comment.
> CoNCoN
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