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Re: [Fsuk-manchester] ubuntu day - the FINAL word


From: allcoms
Subject: Re: [Fsuk-manchester] ubuntu day - the FINAL word
Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 14:42:17 +0000

Hi Anna n' the free software supporting denizens o' Mancunia and environs!

Lovely, balanced and thoroughly enjoyable response that- you don't
need to tell us you're a middle class writer girl - we'd guessed that
long before you stated it. I won't hold you to the middle class or
Leonard Cohen bits either- I'll admit some of it I could bounce a
wince too. Please keep it up as this is famously a female starved area
of interest so excuse my bouts of intense powr-geekery please.

OK, its your event as you say and lengthy GNU philosophy lecture time
it is! I am actually interested in the philosophical side of things-
no one would dare discount that on this list seeing as its what puts
the free into free software so I'm really looking forward to your spin
on it but sadly the man on the street doesn't give a flying hoot. He
tink "Make compooter work! NOW! No virusworm!" Thats because they also
trust mainstream media, MS/Apple/Sun(Oracle!!!) and their government,
churches etc... ooops! Thats another speech for another time.

As you say Anna, you like Ubuntu and you realise the important of the
GNU philosophy, hacker ethics etc. but what Mike (it was Mike who
piped up about Debian first?) correctly noted is that RMS does not
approve of Ubuntu- instead he uses a distro called gnewsense which is
actually ubuntu but with all non-free software stripped away. Hence,
to truly walk the walk and really be bothered to the point of doing a
30m+ philosophy bit we should be using gnewsense- I just hope jockey
still works as it does under regular buntu- will get to try this
weekend with any luck.

It is just SOOO hard to not get nitpicky and upset in these situations
isn't it? Trust me- this whole scenario is by design! I honestly hope
I've not upset any of you, esp. Mike and Anna. I understand where
you're both coming from and now I can't decide if I've helped with my
distrowatch upbringing or screwed everyones heads. Both probably! :D

Really looking forward to it - polite heckling is to be encouraged
right? FREEDOM, if you don't mind ever so kindly Missus! If I do ever
lose you Anna- just let me know and I'll be glad to de-geek it for
you.

No-ones piped up for SUSE or Fedora!? (ducks)

Dan (allcomputerservices aka danboid)

On Fri, Dec 3, 2010 at 11:27 AM, Anna Morris
<address@hidden> wrote:
> Dear all - when you have QUITE finished arguing amongst yourselves.... ;) I
> feel like the "welcome to the abyss" matrix moment! It's like a vortex of
> forwards and nit picking in here!! Ok. So, I see if I am going to accomplish
> anything, I will have to show some leadership qualities (fun fun!). (this
> all said you do seem lovely.... I think earnest is the word! (and that is
> apparently an "important" thing to be...heh heh) ) (brakets vortex? kettle
> black?)
>
> This is my view of the discussion so far (the parts that I managed to find
> in the vortex anyway):
>
> I am a newbie. I am using ubuntu for reasons of philosophy, and I am willing
> to deal with the drawbacks for this end. I am running the event, so, much as
> I will listen carefully to your seasoned and totally contradictory advice, I
> will make decisions... etc... so sit down and be quiet please. fingers on
> lips, no talking without the magic talky stick.
>
> I don't come across as a cultist, animal rights psycho or a socialist
> hard-liner (I get what you mean though), however, there is ZERO point in me
> running a session aimed at 'normal' people, who don't have a propensity for
> rule-breaking and system-questioning (FREAKS!!!!!!!!), because I am clearly
> an odd ball writer with excessively long hair blah blah. The "normals" wont
> listen to me, so I won't waste my breath on talking at them. If any of you
> lot feel that you have the skills to run that kind of session, then good
> luck! (I won't be able to come that day, I will be hidieing under a rock,
> drinking vegan real ale, talking about the ethics of UV irradiated mushrooms
> grown in peat and reading the poetry of Leonard Cohen. Deal with it)
>
> So, to be clear: This session WILL be about the philosophy, and it will be
> AIMED at people who giveashit about the type issues involved (but are new to
> the specific concept).
>
> I can promise you that this will not be a problem. This promise is not based
> on me being an experienced, involved, Linux nut (Hi mike! *waves*): this
> based on me being a middle class writer who has read half of "free software,
> free society" and half of "a hacker manifesto" and has now installed ubuntu
> on every machine in the house, learned to use the terminal and made contact
> with you lot to learn more! TRUST me, I could sell coal to a coal man, and
> philosophy/ethics is a damn good selling point in today's world. LOTS of
> people care you know: stop marginalising yourselves! Look in mirror and
> repeat: "one is not a wounded hamster, one is not a wounded hamster."
> Besides all of which, I have the capacity to make a half hour talk on
> philosophy fun and interesting. S'called being a GIRL. (sorry. having a mean
> day. can't think why...)
>
> ALL of the above said, I don't have any skills to teach people about
> technical issues as my knowledge is vague and basic and mainly just a bit
> wrong. So please do help me out.
>
> So, all on board? I will come to the meeting on whenever in December (can
> some one tell again and then again again please one is I dyslexic)
>
> Full steam ahead what oh!!
>
> Best
>
> Anna
>
> ps: don't run away, it will be great fun I promise, and I am only cross
> cause I got curry arse and Guiness arse at the same FREEKING time.
>
>
>
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