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Today's Topics:
1. ubuntu day - the FINAL word (Anna Morris)
2. RE: ubuntu day - the FINAL word (Pete Morris)
3. Re: ubuntu day - the FINAL word (Llewyn)
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Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 11:27:36 +0000
From: Anna Morris <address@hidden>
Subject: [Fsuk-manchester] ubuntu day - the FINAL word
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Dear all - when you have QUITE finished arguing amongst yourselves.... ;) I
feel like the "welcome to the abyss" matrix moment! It's like a vortex of
forwards and nit picking in here!! Ok. So, I see if I am going to accomplish
anything, I will have to show some leadership qualities (fun fun!). (this
all said you do seem lovely.... I think earnest is the word! (and that is
apparently an "important" thing to be...heh heh) ) (brakets vortex? kettle
black?)
This is my view of the discussion so far (the parts that I managed to find
in the vortex anyway):
I am a newbie. I am using ubuntu for reasons of philosophy, and I am willing
to deal with the drawbacks for this end. I am running the event, so, much as
I will listen carefully to your seasoned and totally contradictory advice, I
will make decisions... etc... so sit down and be quiet please. fingers on
lips, no talking without the magic talky stick.
I don't come across as a cultist, animal rights psycho or a socialist
hard-liner (I get what you mean though), however, there is ZERO point in me
running a session aimed at 'normal' people, who don't have a propensity for
rule-breaking and system-questioning (FREAKS!!!!!!!!), because I am clearly
an odd ball writer with excessively long hair blah blah. The "normals" wont
listen to me, so I won't waste my breath on talking at them. If any of you
lot feel that you have the skills to run that kind of session, then good
luck! (I won't be able to come that day, I will be hidieing under a rock,
drinking vegan real ale, talking about the ethics of UV irradiated mushrooms
grown in peat and reading the poetry of Leonard Cohen. Deal with it)
So, to be clear: *This session WILL be about the philosophy, and it will be
AIMED at people who giveashit* about the type issues involved (but are new
to the specific concept).
I can promise you that this will *not *be a problem. This promise is not
based on me being an experienced, involved, Linux nut (Hi mike! *waves*):
this based on me being a middle class writer who has read half of "free
software, free society" and half of "a hacker manifesto" and has now
installed ubuntu on every machine in the house, learned to use the terminal
and made contact with you lot to learn more! TRUST me, I could sell coal to
a coal man, and philosophy/ethics is a damn *good* selling point in today's
world. LOTS of people care you know: stop marginalising yourselves! Look in
mirror and repeat: "one is not a wounded hamster, one is not a wounded
hamster." Besides all of which, I have the capacity to make a half hour talk
on philosophy fun and interesting. S'called being a GIRL. (sorry. having a
mean day. can't think why...)
ALL of the above said, I don't have any skills to teach people about
technical issues as my knowledge is vague and basic and mainly just a bit
wrong. So please do help me out.
So, all on board? I will come to the meeting on whenever in December (can
some one tell again and then again again please one is I dyslexic)
Full steam ahead what oh!!
Best
Anna
ps: don't run away, it will be great fun I promise, and I am only cross
cause I got curry arse and Guiness arse at the same FREEKING time.
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Date: Fri, 3 Dec 2010 12:20:44 +0000
From: Pete Morris <address@hidden>
Subject: RE: [Fsuk-manchester] ubuntu day - the FINAL word
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I've obviously misunderstood the purpose of your day, so I'll back out of the discussion. Have a good time with it.
Pete
From: fsuk-manchester-bounces+pete.morris=manchester.ac.uk@nongnu.org [mailto:fsuk-manchester-bounces+pete.morris=manchester.ac.uk@nongnu.org] On Behalf Of Anna Morris
Sent: 03 December 2010 11:28
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Subject: [Fsuk-manchester] ubuntu day - the FINAL word
Dear all - when you have QUITE finished arguing amongst yourselves.... ;) I feel like the "welcome to the abyss" matrix moment! It's like a vortex of forwards and nit picking in here!! Ok. So, I see if I am going to accomplish anything, I will have to show some leadership qualities (fun fun!). (this all said you do seem lovely.... I think earnest is the word! (and that is apparently an "important" thing to be...heh heh) ) (brakets vortex? kettle black?)
This is my view of the discussion so far (the parts that I managed to find in the vortex anyway):
I am a newbie. I am using ubuntu for reasons of philosophy, and I am willing to deal with the drawbacks for this end. I am running the event, so, much as I will listen carefully to your seasoned and totally contradictory advice, I will make decisions... etc... so sit down and be quiet please. fingers on lips, no talking without the magic talky stick.
I don't come across as a cultist, animal rights psycho or a socialist hard-liner (I get what you mean though), however, there is ZERO point in me running a session aimed at 'normal' people, who don't have a propensity for rule-breaking and system-questioning (FREAKS!!!!!!!!), because I am clearly an odd ball writer with excessively long hair blah blah. The "normals" wont listen to me, so I won't waste my breath on talking at them. If any of you lot feel that you have the skills to run that kind of session, then good luck! (I won't be able to come that day, I will be hidieing under a rock, drinking vegan real ale, talking about the ethics of UV irradiated mushrooms grown in peat and reading the poetry of Leonard Cohen. Deal with it)
So, to be clear: This session WILL be about the philosophy, and it will be AIMED at people who giveashit about the type issues involved (but are new to the specific concept).
I can promise you that this will not be a problem. This promise is not based on me being an experienced, involved, Linux nut (Hi mike! *waves*): this based on me being a middle class writer who has read half of "free software, free society" and half of "a hacker manifesto" and has now installed ubuntu on every machine in the house, learned to use the terminal and made contact with you lot to learn more! TRUST me, I could sell coal to a coal man, and philosophy/ethics is a damn good selling point in today's world. LOTS of people care you know: stop marginalising yourselves! Look in mirror and repeat: "one is not a wounded hamster, one is not a wounded hamster." Besides all of which, I have the capacity to make a half hour talk on philosophy fun and interesting. S'called being a GIRL. (sorry. having a mean day. can't think why...)
ALL of the above said, I don't have any skills to teach people about technical issues as my knowledge is vague and basic and mainly just a bit wrong. So please do help me out.
So, all on board? I will come to the meeting on whenever in December (can some one tell again and then again again please one is I dyslexic)
Full steam ahead what oh!!
Best
Anna
ps: don't run away, it will be great fun I promise, and I am only cross cause I got curry arse and Guiness arse at the same FREEKING time.
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Date: Fri, 03 Dec 2010 12:53:17 +0000
From: Llewyn <address@hidden>
Subject: Re: [Fsuk-manchester] ubuntu day - the FINAL word
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Been lurking on this list for a bit now... taking in the different
perspectives, etc.. haven't been to a meeting yet.. and am very
interested in this workshop... Especially since this post from Anna...
you seem like a blast and I will help in any way I can.
I really dig what Anna is presenting, an opportunity for people who are
actually interested in what F/LOSS philosophy can offer but may be a bit
shy (or just haven't found the time) when it comes to jumping into a
GNU/Linux OS... brilliant... sounds like it will be a great group of
people to meet as well!
The concerns expressed through the rather heated txt in previous posts
are obviously important when it comes to giving a general introduction
to GNU/Linux to a broad spectrum of people.. and long term I am
interested in different ideas of how to teach in such situations.
Fortunately, what Anna is putting together hits a bit more home for me,
as I would like to focus first on getting more 'fringe' groups on
board.. spread F/LOSS through communities of artists, activists,
organizers, hipsters, freaks and the lot.. Thanks Anna for getting this
going!
As for my part.. I am willing to help with the install assist parts (I
will even (re)familiarize my self with Ubuntu proper in preparation - as
I am currently running puredyne and debian with XFCE).
I would consider myself a GNU/Linux powernewb, not totally savvy,
certainly not a proper hacker, though am on the CLI each day, am often
messing with my system, and advocate F/LOSS, freedombox, copyleft, etc
in just about every pub session ;)
Will try to make the meeting and general make myself available to help
make this happen.
Look forward to meeting this group and the people who respond to this
workshop.
Llewyn
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but a hammer with which to shape it" - Bertolt Brecht
On Fri, 2010-12-03 at 11:27 +0000, Anna Morris wrote:
> Dear all - when you have QUITE finished arguing amongst
> yourselves.... ;) I feel like the "welcome to the abyss" matrix
> moment! It's like a vortex of forwards and nit picking in here!! Ok.
> So, I see if I am going to accomplish anything, I will have to show
> some leadership qualities (fun fun!). (this all said you do seem
> lovely.... I think earnest is the word! (and that is apparently an
> "important" thing to be...heh heh) ) (brakets vortex? kettle black?)
>
> This is my view of the discussion so far (the parts that I managed to
> find in the vortex anyway):
>
> I am a newbie. I am using ubuntu for reasons of philosophy, and I am
> willing to deal with the drawbacks for this end. I am running the
> event, so, much as I will listen carefully to your seasoned and
> totally contradictory advice, I will make decisions... etc... so sit
> down and be quiet please. fingers on lips, no talking without the
> magic talky stick.
>
> I don't come across as a cultist, animal rights psycho or a socialist
> hard-liner (I get what you mean though), however, there is ZERO point
> in me running a session aimed at 'normal' people, who don't have a
> propensity for rule-breaking and system-questioning (FREAKS!!!!!!!!),
> because I am clearly an odd ball writer with excessively long hair
> blah blah. The "normals" wont listen to me, so I won't waste my breath
> on talking at them. If any of you lot feel that you have the skills to
> run that kind of session, then good luck! (I won't be able to come
> that day, I will be hidieing under a rock, drinking vegan real ale,
> talking about the ethics of UV irradiated mushrooms grown in peat and
> reading the poetry of Leonard Cohen. Deal with it)
>
> So, to be clear: This session WILL be about the philosophy, and it
> will be AIMED at people who giveashit about the type issues involved
> (but are new to the specific concept).
>
> I can promise you that this will not be a problem. This promise is not
> based on me being an experienced, involved, Linux nut (Hi mike!
> *waves*): this based on me being a middle class writer who has read
> half of "free software, free society" and half of "a hacker manifesto"
> and has now installed ubuntu on every machine in the house, learned to
> use the terminal and made contact with you lot to learn more! TRUST
> me, I could sell coal to a coal man, and philosophy/ethics is a damn
> good selling point in today's world. LOTS of people care you know:
> stop marginalising yourselves! Look in mirror and repeat: "one is not
> a wounded hamster, one is not a wounded hamster." Besides all of
> which, I have the capacity to make a half hour talk on philosophy fun
> and interesting. S'called being a GIRL. (sorry. having a mean day.
> can't think why...)
>
> ALL of the above said, I don't have any skills to teach people about
> technical issues as my knowledge is vague and basic and mainly just a
> bit wrong. So please do help me out.
>
> So, all on board? I will come to the meeting on whenever in December
> (can some one tell again and then again again please one is I
> dyslexic)
>
> Full steam ahead what oh!!
>
> Best
>
> Anna
>
> ps: don't run away, it will be great fun I promise, and I am only
> cross cause I got curry arse and Guiness arse at the same FREEKING
> time.
>
>
>
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