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| From: | Gerald Klein |
| Subject: | Re: [Ranger-users] A new approach to build the user interface of the future! |
| Date: | Wed, 1 Apr 2015 07:52:49 -0500 |
Unbelievers...
I find your lack of faith disturbing.
Quoting Gerald Klein (2015-04-01 09:39:01)
> I apologize but I won't be changing to Emacs bindings, why would I change from
> hitting one key to hitting many for the same result, explain why this is
> better, (that is sarcastic, it's not better)
>
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:34 AM, Cédric Picard <address@hidden> wrote:
>
> That actually sounds pretty thoughtful. Being able to plug emacs
> plugins in ranger, we won't have to go out of ranger for anything. We
> will even be able to disable Ctrl+k and stop providing a way to go
> out. That would a nice feature as it was proved that the more
> difficult it is to exit a system, the easier it is to learn it
> deeply.
>
> I can't wait to be able to browse the internet in ranger-browser
> while listening to the ranger-music-player-daemon.
>
> However, Python isn't a GNU standard language so if we really want to
> benefit from it I think that it is important to rewrite ranger in
> lisp. Emacs lisp seems the best suited flavor for this.
>
> What do you think?
>
> On Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 07:15:11AM +0200, Miodrag Milic wrote:
> > Cedric dude
> >
> > Are you high or something ?? You have to focus ASAP. This is historic
> > moment.
> >
> > Since we are now members of the Emacs church i think we should embrace
> the
> > new religion totally and let ranger implement elisp plugin system,
> > compatible with emacs spec, so that we can run some or all emacs plugins
> > within ranger. I know, its a non trivial task but we will help by
> donating
> > and styling documentation. What do you guys say ? (dont say no, you know
> > its awesome)
> > On Apr 1, 2015 2:37 AM, "Cédric Picard" <address@hidden> wrote:
> >
> > > Okay, let's be serious.
> > > The great thing about this new release is that now we can use thoses
> > > free keys to type, but to type what? Well, what's typed most often in
> > > a file manager is a path.
> > >
> > > So let's think about it for a second: what if we typed nothing but
> > > paths? It's common knowledge on Unix that everything is a file. I
> > > think we might be able to pull something out of it.
> > >
> > > What I propose is to implement a ranger file system (rangerfs) that
> > > will allow us to use our file systems more efficiently.
> > >
> > > Examples:
> > >
> > > Moving a file could be accessing:
> > >
> > > /tmp/ranger/move/+FILE+/home/cym13/file/+TO+/tmp/newFile
> > >
> > > Copy? Easy!
> > >
> > > /tmp/ranger/copy/+FILE+/home/cym13/file/+TO+/tmp/newFile
> > >
> > > Opening with a program with vim:
> > >
> > > /tmp/ranger/open/+WITH+/usr/bin/vim/+FILE+/home/cym13/file/
> > >
> > > With rifle:
> > >
> > > /tmp/ranger/open/+WITH+/usr/bin/rifle/+FILE+/home/cym13/file/
> > >
> > > Notice how useful it would be! And the best is that it would not be
> > > limited to ranger as any program able to deal with files would be
> > > able to use the full power of ranger!
> > >
> > > Honestly, don't you think it would be interesting?
> > >
> > > On Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 02:04:02AM +0200, hut wrote:
> > > > I have the feeling that you guys are pulling my leg. It's a serious
> > > > problem. How about we use the free key bindings to add commands for
> > > > navigation, file operations and other useful tasks?
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 01:29:09AM +0200, Miodrag Milic wrote:
> > > > > >Hey Miodrag, got any idea what to do with all the keys that are
> > > unused now?
> > > > > YES.
> > > > >
> > > > > You should bind those to some great applications and sites needed
> by
> > > > > everyone like thunderbird, minecraft, facebook ...
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 1:16 AM, Cédric Picard <address@hidden>
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I think the least would be to print a big red warning message
> > > > > > explaining why typing on a key alone should be deprecated.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Or print an ascii punny per key. That could be fun. Like a
> child's
> > > > > > mode. « Son, when you are old enough, I'll teach you the Meta
> key.
> > > > > > Right now, play with the punnies. »
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 01:07:43AM +0200, hut wrote:
> > > > > > > Hey Miodrag, got any idea what to do with all the keys that are
> > > unused
> > > > > > now?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 01, 2015 at 12:54:02AM +0200, Miodrag Milic wrote:
> > > > > > > > Nobody is being sarcastic here !
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The change is already well documented (great work hut as
> always,
> > > > > > cheers)
> > > > > > > > RTFM and start testing ASAP, don't wait for free treatment,
> just
> > > buy
> > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > B6 <http://goo.gl/0Jxut7>and you are ready to go !
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 12:40 AM, Gerald Klein <address@hidden>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > What is the change?? Without the sarcasm
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 5:15 PM, feel.squally <
> > > > > > address@hidden>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> With vim key bindings for scrolling down along the files
> in a
> > > > > > directory
> > > > > > > > >> you just need one finger typing j.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> I guess with emacs you need C+n that implies TWO fingers.
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Also, if this change is about a concern of freedom, is
> there
> > > the
> > > > > > FREEDOM
> > > > > > > > >> to choose between vim and emacs key bindings like tmux
> does?
> > > > > > > > >> If so, I am happy with this change otherwise I think
> ranger
> > > will
> > > > > > lose
> > > > > > > > >> users pretty soon.
> > > > > > > > >> Il 31/mar/2015 22:52 "Miodrag Milic" <
> address@hidden>
> > > ha
> > > > > > > > >> scritto:
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >>> > Imagine a text editor where you can just type in some
> > > keys, and
> > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > >>> appear on
> > > > > > > > >>> the screen. Just like that.
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> OMG, I didn't even know such thing exists!!!! PLEASE!!!
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 10:41 PM, Gerald Klein <
> > > address@hidden>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> Can someone please tell if this is a joke, I'm serious I
> > > can't
> > > > > > tell?
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> On Tue, Mar 31, 2015 at 3:20 PM, hut <address@hidden> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> So, ranger has been around for almost 6 years, and
> after
> > > all
> > > > > > this time
> > > > > > > > >>>>> of
> > > > > > > > >>>>> optimizing and re-evaluating, I think we need a
> paradigm
> > > shift
> > > > > > in the
> > > > > > > > >>>>> way
> > > > > > > > >>>>> ranger works.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> There are going to be a few changes starting with the
> > > upcoming
> > > > > > 1.7.0
> > > > > > > > >>>>> release
> > > > > > > > >>>>> which can be tested now already by running the current
> git
> > > > > > version:
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> git clone https://github.com/hut/ranger.git -b
> current
> > > > > > > > >>>>> cd ranger
> > > > > > > > >>>>> ./ranger.py
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> I sincerely believe now that trying to copy the vim
> user
> > > > > > experience
> > > > > > > > >>>>> was wrong
> > > > > > > > >>>>> on many levels, because clearly emacs is the better
> > > editor. It's
> > > > > > > > >>>>> build on the
> > > > > > > > >>>>> idea of freedom, of elegance and of having to press
> > > modifier
> > > > > > keys all
> > > > > > > > >>>>> the time.
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> If that doesn't convince you yet, how about this:
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> Imagine a text editor where you can just type in some
> > > keys, and
> > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > >>>>> appear on
> > > > > > > > >>>>> the screen. Just like that. No silly modes, no crazy
> > > things
> > > > > > > > >>>>> happening by
> > > > > > > > >>>>> typing random characters on the keyboard (think ggdGZZ,
> it
> > > > > > deletes
> > > > > > > > >>>>> your whole
> > > > > > > > >>>>> text, then saves the file and quits the editor! How
> crazy
> > > is
> > > > > > that?!)
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> No. Using Emacs key bindings is the only sane way to
> do
> > > it.
> > > > > > Check
> > > > > > > > >>>>> out the
> > > > > > > > >>>>> new key bindings on the man page:
> > > > > > > > >>>>> http://ranger.nongnu.org/ranger.1.html
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> Of course ranger has no concept of "typing in text"
> like
> > > emacs
> > > > > > does,
> > > > > > > > >>>>> so typing
> > > > > > > > >>>>> in keys without modifiers will do nothing at all.
> > > Basically you
> > > > > > will
> > > > > > > > >>>>> have to
> > > > > > > > >>>>> use modifier keys for everything you do. But still
> it's
> > > > > > obviously
> > > > > > > > >>>>> better than
> > > > > > > > >>>>> vim-like key bindings. ***BONUS*** The first 100 to
> > > upgrade
> > > > > > will get
> > > > > > > > >>>>> a free
> > > > > > > > >>>>> treatment for their future carpal tunnel syndrome!
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>> Regards,
> > > > > > > > >>>>> hut
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> --
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> Gerald Klein DBA
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> address@hidden
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> www.geraldklein.com <http://geraldklein.com/>
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> geraldklein.wordpress.com
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> address@hidden
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> 708-599-0352
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> Arch, Gentoo I3, Ranger & Vim the coding triple threat.
> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>> Linux registered user #548580
> > > > > > > > >>>>
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> > > > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Gerald Klein DBA
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > address@hidden
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > www.geraldklein.com <http://geraldklein.com/>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > geraldklein.wordpress.com
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > address@hidden
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > 708-599-0352
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Arch, Gentoo I3, Ranger & Vim the coding triple threat.
> > > > > > > > >
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> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cédric Picard
> > > > > >
> > > > > > « No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his
> > > privacy,
> > > > > > family, home or correspondence » Art.12 Universal Declaration of
> > > Human
> > > > > > Rights
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Cédric Picard
> > >
> > > « No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy,
> > > family, home or correspondence » Art.12 Universal Declaration of Human
> > > Rights
> > >
> > >
>
> --
>
> Cédric Picard
>
> « No one shall be subjected to arbitrary interference with his privacy,
> family, home or correspondence » Art.12 Universal Declaration of Human
> Rights
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> Gerald Klein DBA
>
> address@hidden
>
> www.geraldklein.com
>
> geraldklein.wordpress.com
>
> address@hidden
>
> 708-599-0352
>
>
> Arch, Gentoo I3, Ranger & Vim the coding triple threat.
>
> Linux registered user #548580
>
> Brought to you by the Amish Mafia
>
Gerald Klein DBA
Arch, Gentoo I3, Ranger & Vim the coding triple threat.
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